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Oh another thing, there's a small chip in the enamel in the bath. Do they need to replace the entire thing, or is there some kind of enamel treatment that can be used?
This is Switzerland. They need to replace the entire thing! And probably the toilet, basin, bidet....
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

don't start another au pair nightmare scenario here, please ......

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Old 31.03.2009, 21:08
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

Maybe I should have chosen a different title for my thread, I didn't really want it merged with another, as our situation is slightly different than a straightforward price negotiation.
Basically, do you think it's fair we should have to pay for the changes to the kitchen, when other purchasers of identically priced appartements get their kitchen installed for no extra charge? What devishily good arguments can we come up with to press our point? So far, the promoter has agreed to only pay for a 1/3 of the changes, whereas we think we shouldn't have to pay anything extra at all.
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Old 31.03.2009, 23:35
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

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Maybe I should have chosen a different title for my thread, I didn't really want it merged with another, as our situation is slightly different than a straightforward price negotiation.
Basically, do you think it's fair we should have to pay for the changes to the kitchen, when other purchasers of identically priced appartements get their kitchen installed for no extra charge? What devishily good arguments can we come up with to press our point? So far, the promoter has agreed to only pay for a 1/3 of the changes, whereas we think we shouldn't have to pay anything extra at all.
It's likely merged because the title you chose.

Your sellers feel they are in a sellers' market and they can get away with. If you are unhappy with the kitchen - and you haven't already given your approval by signing a contract - tell the sellers so and say you want to chose your own kitchen at no extra cost like everyone else. If they don't agree to that or a substantial discount walk away...
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Oh another thing, there's a small chip in the enamel in the bath. Do they need to replace the entire thing, or is there some kind of enamel treatment that can be used?
The Swiss have high standards and once you let them slip, they go very quickly to a "that'll do attitude" way of doing things, similar to what happens in the UK nowadays.
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Old 01.04.2009, 11:31
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Maybe I should have chosen a different title for my thread, I didn't really want it merged with another, as our situation is slightly different than a straightforward price negotiation.
Basically, do you think it's fair we should have to pay for the changes to the kitchen, when other purchasers of identically priced appartements get their kitchen installed for no extra charge? What devishily good arguments can we come up with to press our point? So far, the promoter has agreed to only pay for a 1/3 of the changes, whereas we think we shouldn't have to pay anything extra at all.
You mentioned that the neighbours had their kitchen installed at no extra charge but you want changes.

Is it that your kitchen has already been fitted before you purchased but the neighbours purchased earlier and so could agree on the ktichen design before it was actually installed?

You don't make this clear.

Quite often, if you are one of the last to purchase, you find the kitchen already fitted as, even if the appartment is not sold, the developer still has loan re-payment obligations to the bank and so must plan to rent any remaining, unsold appartments as soon as possible.

I'm not saying you can't negotiate, I'm just suggesting a possible reason why the developer doesn't want to pay twice.
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Old 01.04.2009, 11:49
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You mentioned that the neighbours had their kitchen installed at no extra charge but you want changes.

Is it that your kitchen has already been fitted before you purchased but the neighbours purchased earlier and so could agree on the ktichen design before it was actually installed?

You don't make this clear.

Quite often, if you are one of the last to purchase, you find the kitchen already fitted as, even if the appartment is not sold, the developer still has loan re-payment obligations to the bank and so must plan to rent any remaining, unsold appartments as soon as possible.

I'm not saying you can't negotiate, I'm just suggesting a possible reason why the developer doesn't want to pay twice.
The appt we have reserved is the show appt, so there is already a kitchen installed, which we want to change (just the cupboard doors and drawer-fronts). My gripe is that if we had taken the appt next door, we would have the kitchen of our choice, at no extra charge. The seller is willing to offer us a little towards the changes, but nowhere near the entire amount. As you rightly pointed out, he doesn't want to have to pay twice for the kitchen.
We'll probably take what's offered and forever curse the seller for his greed and stubborness. We don't want to walk away, we more or less have our hearts set on it, the kids even moreso.
Put it down to experience, I suppose.
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

The price is always negitiable but depends largely on how eager the seller is to move.
As for the kithchen replacement, fif you not see the kitchen first and decide then that it was so bed that you do not wish to buy on account of it?

P.s. If you require any work done around the place you can always contact me, Handyman services.
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

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The appt we have reserved is the show appt, so there is already a kitchen installed, which we want to change (just the cupboard doors and drawer-fronts). My gripe is that if we had taken the appt next door, we would have the kitchen of our choice, at no extra charge. The seller is willing to offer us a little towards the changes, but nowhere near the entire amount. As you rightly pointed out, he doesn't want to have to pay twice for the kitchen.
We'll probably take what's offered and forever curse the seller for his greed and stubborness. We don't want to walk away, we more or less have our hearts set on it, the kids even moreso.
Put it down to experience, I suppose.
If you have only reserved, and there are no other buyers then you are in a stronger position to get the discount that you want than if the developer has loads of other prospective buyers lined up.

Are you getting a discount because you cannot choose your own kitchen doors?
It doesn't seem fair that your neighbours get that opportunity and you have to incur a cost to do so.

Do you have anything in writing (perhaps in the original generic prospectus) that states you can choose your kitchen from x for, up to y price?
If so, and you have nothing to state that you must have the show kitchen then show him that.

I've found that developers here can make it up as they go along and sometimes the details are a bit vague. But, if you stand firm then it may work out better.
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

All it says in the prospectus is that the buyer has the choice of kitchen, but there is no price range specified. According to the estate agent, of the 5 show appts in the development (inc. ours), 3 kept the kitchen and 1 had it changed, also at their cost. So, even if the developer is being a tightwad, he's being it with everybody. As to whether there are other buyers lined up, all the agent told us was that there had been "interest".
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Re: Purchasing a Home - Is the price negotiable?

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All it says in the prospectus is that the buyer has the choice of kitchen, but there is no price range specified. According to the estate agent, of the 5 show appts in the development (inc. ours), 3 kept the kitchen and 1 had it changed, also at their cost. So, even if the developer is being a tightwad, he's being it with everybody. As to whether there are other buyers lined up, all the agent told us was that there had been "interest".
Presumably if the prospectus specified that the purchaser should have their choice of the kitchen - I'd point that out to the real estate agent, stick to that and insist on either having your choice or a discount to offset the costs you may have to incur relating to that. What other people had chosen to do or accept should not affect YOUR decision.

Again - I am not familiar with the general practice in your area but all the new projects we have seen here in the Baden area so far always come with a pre-determined "budget" for items such as kitchen, bathroom, tiles, etc. Buyers generally can choose a variety of finishes from the developers' suppliers within the specific budget, OR the budget gets deducted from the purchase price (with or without nominal penalty) and the buyer can then source his own vendor(s) of choice.

Since you've already reserved the apartment - technically this prevents the real estate agent to even market it to other "interested" parties - and you can really try to haggle your way into what you want.

I am not sure how long ago your developer sold their other show homes and how tight is the housing market right now in your area. However so far my little experience with real estate agent tells me the "interests" they generally refer to could be as far as just people requesting project information (as is such in our case).

We are in a similar yet slightly different situation. We reserved an apartment (1 of total 3 available in the project) six months ago (in the Baden area) when the housing market seemed tight. However since then the real estate agent has not been able to secure any "interest" on the other two apartments. While it is in a nice and well-established neighbourhood overlooking the valley below, the downside of it was that it is slightly further away from public transportation.

I believe the turn of the recent economic events has somehow worked in our favour - while 6 months ago there didn't seem so many choices with our budget (a quite flexible one that is!), now they are springing up left and right at comparable prices. We've mentioned this to our real estate agent and she even reluctantly agreed with us that the current market is indeed a very different one from last year. That's why we are now trying to negotiate down the purchase price. (Fingers crossed!)

Good luck to you as well.... I am learning as lot as we move along...
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