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Where to live Basel

Hi, Will hopefully be moving to Basel in the next few months to start a new job at a large pharmaceutical company. From my impressions when I travelled out for the interview it seems like a great city (and very pretty with all the christmas lights). My main concern is with accommodation, despite various web searches I am struggling to find information concerning flatshare options especially for an english speaking or mixed appartment. I would ideally like to live in shared accommodation at least for the first few months as a way of increasing my social circle and giving me time to find my own appartment. I only speak very basic German (I'm working on this ) I'm also unsure as to the best areas to live in (I am single, 27, want somewhere not too rowdy but not socially dead either). Also prices seem to vary tremendously and overall seem much more reasonable than I was expecting, guess I believed all the expensive Switzerland hype. I should be recieving my copy of 'Living and working in Switzerland' any day now but any local help or advice would be greatly appreciated,

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Re: Where to live Basel

If you prefer flatsharing I'd suggest to post an advert on www.unibas.ch/markt at the section "Wohnen Nachfrage". This is the Basel university website.

Then there are www.immoclick.ch and www.homegate.ch where you could find flats to rent.

I work also at a large pharmaceutical company in Basel and we have an intranet fleamarkets where one could find something appropriate, too.
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cheers for the advice lala, will look into those
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where to live in Basel

Hi,
I am moving to Basel with my family in August - I will begin a job in October and my husband will transfer with his work to their Baden office though work from home.

Could anyone suggest a good area for families to live within the city of Basel? We would like to rent a 2-3 bedroom and have a budget of roughly 2500 chf/month for housing.

I would like to live close to work since I sometimes work odd hours - which means close to University Hospital. We do not plan to have a car so something within easy biking or tram distance would be nice (15-20 min).

We are planning to take a trip to Basel before we move to look for housing, but would like to get some idea of good areas to look in.

Thank you!

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Could anyone suggest a good area for families to live within the city of Basel? We would like to rent a 2-3 bedroom and have a budget of roughly 2500 chf/month for housing.
the budget shouldn't be a problem at all - there are plenty of upper-scale apartments in that price range. However, I'd suggest moving to the Leimental instead of living in Basel itself. Have a look at Bottmingen, Binningen, Oberwil or Therwil. The number 10 and 17 trams take you to Basel within about 20 minutes (from Therwil and Oberwil) or less (it's really just a 10 minute ride from Bottmingen or Binningen to the center of Basel).

We used to live in Basel but moved to Therwil a while ago. We managed to find a great new (we're the first tenants) 3 bedroom apartment in a family-area for 2470.- a month.
The main reason for moving out of Basel for us was income-tax - we pay about 15% less where we live now.

There really aren't any truly family-friendly areas in Basel - Basel's mainly popular with low-income families and foreigners from the Balkans. Once they reach a certain amount of income, most people move to neighboring communities in the Canton of Basel Landschaft simply because they can't afford the taxes anymore.

If you're certain you're going to move to Basel, look at the following areas:

- Bruderholz (very upscale and insanely expensive)
- Dorenbach (mostly older people live there, very nice houses, though)
- Riehen and Bettingen (both belong to the Canton of Basel City, same high taxes but great quality of life)

Definitely stay away from (high crime, 50%+ foreigners):

- Anything in Kleinbasel (the right side of the Rhine on your map) - especially the areas near the Fair and Klybeck (lots of drug-related crime)
- The St. Johann area (between the Johanniter bridge and Volta square)
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Re: where to live in Basel

thank you very much for your reply.

this will be very helpful in arranging places to look at!

one other question i have is what is normally expected in terms of lease signing? ie - how much for security deposit, how many months rent? also, how difficult is this to do without having first established a bank account? is this something we should do immediately when we arrive so that we can sign a lease?

thanks again,
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Re: where to live in Basel

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- Anything in Kleinbasel (the right side of the Rhine on your map) - especially the areas near the Fair and Klybeck (lots of drug-related crime)
- The St. Johann area (between the Johanniter bridge and Volta square)
We've lived in Claraplatz for more than 6 years and never had a problem - though Klybeck can be a bit dodgy. The red light district is just around the corner from where we live but red-light activities appear to stay in those one or two streets.

I like the fact that that Kleinbasel is a bit more multicultural than other places - a safe haven from the snobs in Grossbasel.

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Re: where to live in Basel

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Definitely stay away from (high crime, 50%+ foreigners):

- Anything in Kleinbasel (the right side of the Rhine on your map) - especially the areas near the Fair and Klybeck (lots of drug-related crime)
- The St. Johann area (between the Johanniter bridge and Volta square)
Amusing, coming from (what I'm assuming is) a foreigner

Kleinbasel is not the hellshow that dawiz makes it out to be. Yes, there are a couple of dodgy areas, sure, but overall it is a decent place to live. It is more multi-cultural, yes, but that makes it more interesting. You're from Philly - you'll find anything that people here classify as dodgy to be amusingly quaint. It doesn't mean there aren't dodgy places, but there's nothing like what you'll find back in the States. We've regretted not moving to Kleinbasel several times. We're fond of the area near where Nick (above) lives, along with Kleinhuenigen and Gundeli.

I will agree with dawiz about Voltaplatz - but only for now. The tunnel / road construction will be done in the next six months or so, and the squats right on Volta Platz have been told to vacate in the next couple of months. That means those buildings are going to be renovated, along with some others in the area. With all of the new construction going on at Novartis in that area, look for it to be one of the new up-and-coming areas in about a year or so.

One neighborhood that consistently gets good comments from people is the Kannenfeld area. It is close to good transport, not far from an extremely large and nice park (that was once a cemetery and converted to a park many years ago) and has some nicer areas. This is probably going to be closest for you to get to work, I think.

Basel Land will be cheaper for you in taxes, but much more expensive in rent, overall, particularly if you're trying to stay on the Basel Stadt border so that you have an easy commute.

You should also do a comparis search to get a basic idea of costs for your health insurance. Rates in Basel are very high, compared with other areas and are based on your age and postal code. I'm not sure how Basel Stadt and Basel Land compare with health insurance.
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Re: where to live in Basel

many thanks for the info regarding Kleinbasel. Actually we are hoping to move to a more diverse area if possible (we are coming from West Philly no less - which we absolutely love). Another person had mentioned Gundeli and I will also take a look at other places you mentioned.

Thanks again,
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Re: where to live in Basel

Answering your other points yes it is very helpful to open a bank account in advance and expect to pay 3 months rent as a deposit.
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Re: where to live in Basel

Hi,
I have lived in Basel for 18 years and in the Gundeli for the last 8 years. We are very happy here. We are within 3 tramlines, 5 minutes from the main station and 25 minutes from the airport. We also have a 3 bedroom appartment that we moved into after it was built and it costs 400 Sfr less a month dawiz is paying outside Basel.

As Nick and Shell put it there are advantages and disadvantages of living in Basel. I love the fact that with a few minutes I am in the centre of town and I don't need a car. We just love the convience of where we live.

Outside our appartment block there is always a group of children playing.

I thought one of the reasons a lot of english expats live in Basel land is because they are on expat contracts which pay for their children to go to the international school and so that is why you find a lot of people around Oberwil. For these people the tax difference is not so important as it is paid by the company but they like being surrounded by other english speaking people.

Here we speak to our neighbours in German and there is quite diverse number of nationalities who live in the block.

As Shell and Nick says what people think here as being dodgy is nothing compared to what you find in the usa.

All the best

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Re: where to live in Basel

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Definitely stay away from (high crime, 50%+ foreigners):

- Anything in Kleinbasel (the right side of the Rhine on your map) - especially the areas near the Fair and Klybeck (lots of drug-related crime)
Do not stay away from Kleinbasel - It not the getto that many people make out. I have lived in may parts and never *NEVER* felt unsafe. (Hell the town centre of the small English Market town where I grow up in is more dangerous at night than *anywere* I have seen in *any* of the districts in Kleinbasel)

Never seen anything to do with drug-related crime and the only "problem" we've ever had was my bike got nicked on the 31st July a few years back, during the fireworks....

Anyone who says "keep away" from Kleinbasel has never been there, lived there, felt safe there and enjoyed being there....

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Re: where to live in Basel

I agree...don't let the myths and stories about Kleinbasel put you off. I live in Grossbasel, but have many friends and spend lots of time in Kleinbasel...and really think it is a great part to the city. You really get a feeling that you are in a "little-big" city...there are always things going on and it is so refreshingly multicultural. Dangerous? Switzerland? I come from Canada about 2 miles away from the middle of nowhere and I feel safer here in Basel than I did in the tiny town I grew up in...
But the whole area is full of great places to live...in and out of the Stadt...just depends on what kind of life you want to live here...
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We heard a lot of bad things about kleinbasel as well, therefore we looked for apartments in grossbasel. We are moving to our new apartment next week which is in leimenstrasse. Its very close to town, quite area and tram stop just 100m away. We chose 2bedroom apartment with dinning room and study area. If you have pets, make sure your apartment allows it. We particularly wanted an apartment with outside area or roof garden( our roof garden is double the size of main bedroom) We only pay 1950 excluding utilities. In my opinion all areas in grossbasel are very nice, less 60's style buildings
Also make sure that your apartment is not too close to tram stop or it can get very noisy. 3 months deposit is a very important to remember, we paid 2months deposit, 800 for cleaning( after you leave apartment they hire companies to clean the place), 80 for name plates on post box and first months rent. Its quite a lot of money at once, but thats how it is.Hope you like Basel. I think its a great place to live ( very expensive though)
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Re: where to live in Basel

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Amusing, coming from (what I'm assuming is) a foreigner

Kleinbasel is not the hellshow that dawiz makes it out to be.
I'm Swiss but have lived in the States for quite a while - that's why I'm reading/posting here. When I first moved to Basel about 10 years ago, I rented an apartment on Sperrstrasse, which is in Kleinbasel, near the Messe. Couldn't afford anything else back then. After several stabbings practically in front of our door, a couple of gunfights between rivalling pimps, several robberies in nearby restaurants and shops and the constant presence of prostitutes on and around the Claramatte I moved over to Grossbasel to Ryffstrasse (which is near Voltaplatz). That was ok for a couple of years but then this became the main area for drug trafficking in Basel as it's conveniently located between the "Gassenzimmer" (publicly funded safehouses where drug addicts can consume their substance without littering - once thought to be a weapon against the drug problem) near the Frauenspital and the one on Riehenring.
After my wife was followed by a drug dealer all the way to our front entrance (she had seen him sell drugs to a junkie when she got off the tram at the St. Johanns Tor), we decided to cash in on the tax difference and move out of Basel.

While I'm sure other people had a much better experience living in the city of Basel, I truthfully think Basel is about the worst place imaginable for bringing up kids.
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on and it is so refreshingly multicultural. Dangerous? Switzerland? I come from Canada about 2 miles away from the middle of nowhere and I feel safer here in Basel than I did in the tiny town I grew up in...
Well, according to this http://www.statistik-bs.ch/kennzahle...sellschaft/g20 , Basel had 14 murders in 2005 (couldn't find anything more recent). That's 14 murders per year for a city of 166'000 inhabitants or 8.5 murders per 100'000 inhabitants.
London, Ontario had a murder rate of 3.8/100'000 in 2004. That's double the national average (both according to Wikipedia) and is 1/3 above Toronto. If one only looks at the stats, the most densely populated areas in Canada are much safer than the areas with the highest population density in Switzerland.

While this doesn't make Basel a particularly dangerous place to live (there are far worse places in terms of crime), it simply shows that the whole thing about Switzerland being the safest place on Earth is nothing but a fairy-tale.
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If one only looks at the stats, the most densely populated areas in Canada are much safer than the areas with the highest population density in Switzerland.
Mmmm, can't argue with stats can we!
Although, I am sure you know...53% of all stats are made up on the spot!!

I do agree with you though, shoving Switzerland in the "safe-safe-country" list proabably isn't the best thing. I know through stories and friends that the most bizzare and shocking things have happened in the smallest, quaintest, quietest sleepy villiages in Switzerland...which just goes to show that things can happen anywhere, anytime to anyone! That, I guess, is what we call life! Not always the cup o' tea we all think it should be, hey!?

But, as to keep with the subject of this thread, Basel...after all this...is still a GREAT place to live! I can't wait for summer so we can all BBQ down at the river and cool off in our free swimming pool...even if we have to share it with the barges and water taxi's!!!
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Mmmm, can't argue with stats can we!
Although, I am sure you know...53% of all stats are made up on the spot!!
that one shouldn't be, but who knows :-)
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We heard a lot of bad things about kleinbasel as well, therefore we looked for apartments in grossbasel. We are moving to our new apartment next week which is in leimenstrasse. Its very close to town, quite area and tram stop just 100m away. We chose 2bedroom apartment with dinning room and study area. If you have pets, make sure your apartment allows it. We particularly wanted an apartment with outside area or roof garden( our roof garden is double the size of main bedroom) We only pay 1950 excluding utilities. In my opinion all areas in grossbasel are very nice, less 60's style buildings
( very expensive though)
I want a roof garden!! With palm trees, a pond and hammocks

Sounds like you have a nice apartment there, outside space is really important to me so I am incredibly jealous of that amazing garden . I havn't seen many apartments with roof terraces advertised (at least not in my budget) although I would settle for a decent sunny balcony.

I also can't believe how expensive Basel seems to be in comparison to the other big swiss cities.
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I want a roof garden!! With palm trees, a pond and hammocks

Sounds like you have a nice apartment there, outside space is really important to me so I am incredibly jealous of that amazing garden . I havn't seen many apartments with roof terraces advertised (at least not in my budget) although I would settle for a decent sunny balcony.

I also can't believe how expensive Basel seems to be in comparison to the other big swiss cities.
Yes it is very expensive!!! There are plenty apartments with outside areas, roof gardent etc. We had 7 viewings in one day.
Ive just looked in homegate.ch and there are some. Good luck and I hope you will find a brilliant place to live
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