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Old 15.05.2009, 09:10
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Note that electricity has only been around for a bit over 100 years.

So the long term effects on the human race of using electricity are still unknown....
As humans only live for about 80 years, how do you think a longer period will show results? By affecting evolution?
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Old 15.05.2009, 09:23
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As humans only live for about 80 years, how do you think a longer period will show results? By affecting evolution?
Simply be affecting genes of your kid, so he will not live 80 years any more! Pussycats don't live that long so easier to research on them!
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Old 15.05.2009, 09:28
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Simply be affecting genes of your kid, so he will not live 80 years any more! Pussycats don't live that long so easier to research on them!
Well that's easy then. We've had enough time, because most humans reproduce between the ages of 16 and 30. Same for their children, so we've had 3 cycles of this in 100 years and no effects...
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Old 15.05.2009, 09:38
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Simply be affecting genes of your kid, so he will not live 80 years any more! Pussycats don't live that long so easier to research on them!
And what about life longevity of Owls?
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Old 15.05.2009, 09:39
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Well that's easy then. We've had enough time, because most humans reproduce between the ages of 16 and 30. Same for their children, so we've had 3 cycles of this in 100 years and no effects...
EU has been working long to put the legislature forth. I do not think hundred of scientists and institutions world wide would work on this if there were no effects.
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EU has been working long to put the legislature forth. I do not think hundred of scientists and institutions world wide would work on this if there were no effects.
Politics is not Science. I could give the example of laws to alleviate Global Warming, but that's another topic
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Re: High-Voltage Power Lines in Vaud and Buying a House

When superconductors become a reality, then no high v. is needed, so we'll live as long as Turtles
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When superconductors become a reality, then no high v. is needed, so we'll live as long as Turtles
Sorry, We Owls and Pussycats know nothing about turtles.
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Re: High-Voltage Power Lines in Vaud and Buying a House

Hi again. Last week I got an email from the agent about this house (slightly shocking* in itself as normally you never hear from an agent again after viewing a house). Anyway, the agent said the owner is having a geologist come out tomorrow to do a report on the pylon and she will forward to report on to us.

Now, I know my brain is slightly fried* from lack of sleep (I have two toddlers) and I am not a scientist, but why would a geologist make a report on a high-voltage power pylon?

Sorry for the silly question but it struck me as strange and I know there are some very clever people on the forum that may be able to shed some light*.

*P.S. bonus points for including more electricity puns than I have managed to insert here.
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Old 01.06.2009, 11:03
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Hi again. Last week I got an email from the agent about this house (slightly shocking* in itself as normally you never hear from an agent again after viewing a house). Anyway, the agent said the owner is having a geologist come out tomorrow to do a report on the pylon and she will forward to report on to us.

Now, I know my brain is slightly fried* from lack of sleep (I have two toddlers) and I am not a scientist, but why would a geologist make a report on a high-voltage power pylon?

Sorry for the silly question but it struck me as strange and I know there are some very clever people on the forum that may be able to shed some light*.

*P.S. bonus points for including more electricity puns than I have managed to insert here.
The simple fact is that the vendor is having problems selling: the house is still available they are pushing the agents to actually do some work and are willing to pay an expert (geologist could be a translation error).

The point is, you don't need to be the brightest spark (there's your pun) to imagine the problems you will have when you come to sell...
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why would a geologist make a report on a high-voltage power pylon?
They probably think you're worried about the pylon falling down because of weak foundations in soft rocks or something.

But I'm with Ab Fab. If the current owners this desperate to get you interested, you'll have ample fun yourself when you try to sell it.
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The simple fact is that the vendor is having problems selling: the house is still available they are pushing the agents to actually do some work and are willing to pay an expert (geologist could be a translation error).

The point is, you don't need to be the brightest spark (there's your pun) to imagine the problems you will have when you come to sell...
Thanks AbFab. Nice pun. Yes, I agree they must be having a problem selling, we have also discounted this house. The fact that the agent actually came back to us at all speaks volumes.

I just thought it was curious and interesting that they would get a geologist. I don't think it was a short circuit in the translation as the agent is originally from the US, so she speaks perfect english (although has lived in Switzerland over 30 years).
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Old 01.06.2009, 11:17
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But I'm with Ab Fab. If the current owners this desperate to get you interested, you'll have ample fun yourself when you try to sell it.
Nice one Dougal's Breakfast.

Subtle.

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Old 01.06.2009, 11:32
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OK now it's time to switch to another ohm...
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.... *P.S. bonus points for including more electricity puns than I have managed to insert here.
An example of "power selling"!
We await the electrifying facts for a grounded decision.
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Re: High-Voltage Power Lines in Vaud and Buying a House

I'm also curious watt the OP would get charged for the house. She coul ombrace the given advice and let it induct a new seeking strategy; but this would contribute to the static market. Are there advantages of the property as parks in the neighbourhood? This could generate powerful incentives for other buyers in the field, forcee that.

Bad enough?
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I'm also curious watt the OP would get charged for the house. She coul ombrace the given advice and let it induct a new seeking strategy; but this would contribute to the static market. Are there advantages of the property as parks in the neighbourhood? This could generate powerful incentives for other buyers in the field, forcee that.

Bad enough?
Shocking !
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Old 01.06.2009, 14:52
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I'm also curious watt the OP would get charged for the house. She coul ombrace the given advice and let it induct a new seeking strategy; but this would contribute to the static market. Are there advantages of the property as parks in the neighbourhood? This could generate powerful incentives for other buyers in the field, forcee that.

Bad enough?
Switch off. Pull the plug on this thread.
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Old 01.06.2009, 15:43
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Re: High-Voltage Power Lines in Vaud and Buying a House

the generally accepted view on activities within close proximity to HV power lines is that no/limited effects have been directly attirbuted to the electric field potentials. (a quick google brings up the following links)

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs205/en/

http://www.hps.org/hpspublications/a...owerlines.html

that said, potential indirect effects are considered possible within the aerosol/atmospheric science community. Ions are produced in significant numbers around HV power lines.

Jayaratne et al 2008. (http://en.scientificcommons.org/38142337)


These ions are known to lead to increased ozone concentrations, oxidization of organic pre-cursor material and subsequent formation of secondary particles. In short, ozone is well recognised as having human health effects and is a regualrly monitored species. Exposure to high concentrations of nano-particles (species independent) has been linked to health issues (Dockery, Pope et. al. 1993) Positive ions (or a deficiency of negative ions) is also considered as being bad for health (although in my mind the jury is still out on this one, must follow it up). Further, alteration of charge balances on existing particles may also lead to increased deposition in respiratory deposition. Ideally none of this is good for you, however the I haven't followed the topic for a couple of years and am not sure whether studies have been conducted assessing relationships between ion production and secondary formation so can't "predict" likely outcomes.

a quick google for an interesting article digs up this:

http://notowers.co.nz/information/he...aEmissions.pdf

one of the more discussed issues on the topic of HV lines is when they are located in a region of high (nano-)particle number concentration (e.g., mixed residential and traffic, or mixed residential with emissions from wood burning). If these particles are charged will lung deposition increase? highly likely :-/

so, I would personally worry a lot less about the electric fields (particularly while inside your house, imo) and worry more about the secondary issues described above. I would not buy that house.

best of luck in your hunt for a home :-)

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