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Complaint about Dog

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We moved into a new apartment about two months ago, about two weeks after we moved in the landlady said that two people complained about my dog whining not barking. Our dog is used to being alone and does not have a problem being away from us, we have never known her to whine in the 7 years that we have had her. Since that time we have hired a dog walker that comes once a day, therefore not breaking the "dogs are not allowed to be alone more than 6 hours" rule. Yesterday she told my dog walker that someone complained that they heard what they presume to be our dog whining this past Sunday. This is not possible as we were home all day and when we left took her with us. There are several dogs that live in this apartment complex and we have heard other dogs whine and/or bark on occassion. I asked her how these people knew it was my dog and she had no answer. I have stood outside my door after we left just to see if she whined and never heard anything. Of course if she decides to stand in front of my door and listen then it would be her word against mine. I recently joined the Miterverband but was wondering if anyone has had issues like this or any suggestions.

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Old 28.05.2009, 09:31
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Tell her about the 'Sunday non-incident' and suggest that those who complained should try to ascertain exactly which apartment the sound was coming from. (Love your avatar, by the way. A German short-haired pointer?)
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Old 28.05.2009, 09:44
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Re: Complaint about Dog

Perhaps there is a new factor which may cause your dog to whine. One of my parent's dogs suddenly started the whole whining thing when the guy two doors down from them bought a garden strimmer.

Every time he trimmed his borders Mum and Dad's dog would join in with the whining sound and her whining caused their other dog to join in the chorus .

Perhaps there is a new sound in your area which triggers the whining?
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Re: Complaint about Dog

We have a cranky old lady that lives next to us and repeatedly tells us our dog is barking all night long keeping her awake. We're home and we know it's not our dog, so we asked her if she was sure it was our dog and her reply was "well it sounds like a big dog, and you have a big dog, so it must be your dog". She complains to the nosy woman downstairs who has a very yappy little dog, but it's ok if her dog yips and yaps all day long - but our dog mysteriously barks all night when we are home.

Nevermind the dog that barks at anything that moves starting at 5 am (and they are on the ground floor so he's allowed outside whenever he wants), the dog that barks all night on the balcony and the dog that howls all night when his owners leave him alone....but somehow our dog is the dog from hell.

Anyways, we just take her complaints with a grain of salt because to us they have no merit, particularly because she is complaining about incidents that take place when we are home. We just say we're sorry and walk away. If she takes it to the rental agency then we'll do more (maybe set up a recorder or camera - if someone is going to accuse my dog of making noise I want actual proof it is my dog), but for now we just kind of ignore it.

Maybe you could leave the TV or a radio on?
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Re: Complaint about Dog

Actually Janer MacP, ever hear the saying "the best defence is to attack"?
My suggestion would be to contact your rental agency and complain about the woman complaining. Pointing out that her complaints are totally unfounded because you were at home when the alleged incident occurred. And say that she complains all the time and you know that it is not your dog. This may discredit the woman totally and if she decided to call the rental agency they may not take any notice....
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Actually Janer MacP, ever hear the saying "the best defence is to attack"?
My suggestion would be to contact your rental agency and complain about the woman complaining. Pointing out that her complaints are totally unfounded because you were at home when the alleged incident occurred. And say that she complains all the time and you know that it is not your dog. This may discredit the woman totally and if she decided to call the rental agency they may not take any notice....
We thought about that, but as she's pretty cranky we're actually afraid it will start a full on war. We have a very good relationship with the woman in charge of our building, which I think would help if it came down to us vs. her. She doesn't complain every day, so I *hope* it won't escalate to that.

We did notice a sign on the front door of our building that said a 2.5 was available on the 4th floor with a wintergarden - this is exactly what her apartment has, the other apartment on our floor is a 4.5 like ours.....but we don't know if it's her, or someone from another building. The note was only on our door, said it would be ready for June 1, so we're crossing our fingers she'll leave!!
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We moved into a new apartment about two months ago, about two weeks after we moved in the landlady said that two people complained about my dog whining not barking. Our dog is used to being alone and does not have a problem being away from us, we have never known her to whine in the 7 years that we have had her. Since that time we have hired a dog walker that comes once a day, therefore not breaking the "dogs are not allowed to be alone more than 6 hours" rule. Yesterday she told my dog walker that someone complained that they heard what they presume to be our dog whining this past Sunday. This is not possible as we were home all day and when we left took her with us. There are several dogs that live in this apartment complex and we have heard other dogs whine and/or bark on occassion. I asked her how these people knew it was my dog and she had no answer. I have stood outside my door after we left just to see if she whined and never heard anything. Of course if she decides to stand in front of my door and listen then it would be her word against mine. I recently joined the Miterverband but was wondering if anyone has had issues like this or any suggestions.

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I have some difficulty in understanding how you know what you dog is doing when you are not there, by you own admission, for hours at a time. I assume you leave you pet at home while you work. Is this really fair on the dog?

We had neighbours whose dog howled and barked the whole time they were out and that was usually no more than an hour or two. Of course as soon as they approached their house, it stopped. We felt very sorry for the dog...
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Old 28.05.2009, 11:13
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Re: Complaint about Dog

Dogs are animals of routine, and any change to that may knock them off or make them act out of character. So whilst your dog didn't do it before, the change may mean it's started now. Hopefully it will settle down, but try things like leaving music or a TV on so it can hear sound and won't think its alone, as it may just be a little seperation anxiety due to the change.

You mentioned a dog walker, to comply with the rules on how long you leave a dog, this infers that you used to leave it longer. So to a dog it would appear a simple as 'I'm in a strange place, and I've been left' and that may have triggered the whining. Maybe a better soloution would be for you to speak to the landlady, and let her know that you guys will spend a little more time with the dog (if that's possible) to ensure it's settled in to it's new surroundings, then drop back to the dog walker. Good luck and I hope it gets back to normal soon, as upsetting the natives just after you move is hassle you don't need.
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We moved into a new apartment about two months ago, about two weeks after we moved in the landlady said that two people complained about my dog whining not barking. Our dog is used to being alone and does not have a problem being away from us, we have never known her to whine in the 7 years that we have had her. Since that time we have hired a dog walker that comes once a day, therefore not breaking the "dogs are not allowed to be alone more than 6 hours" rule. Yesterday she told my dog walker that someone complained that they heard what they presume to be our dog whining this past Sunday. This is not possible as we were home all day and when we left took her with us. There are several dogs that live in this apartment complex and we have heard other dogs whine and/or bark on occassion. I asked her how these people knew it was my dog and she had no answer. I have stood outside my door after we left just to see if she whined and never heard anything. Of course if she decides to stand in front of my door and listen then it would be her word against mine. I recently joined the Miterverband but was wondering if anyone has had issues like this or any suggestions.

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This all sounded very familiar and then I remembered you posted something a while back. Here is the thread.
http://www.englishforum.ch/adverts-h...-friendly.html

I think you are going to have a fight on your hands. Three things may happen: you will end up moving, or you wil end up staying and being miserable or you will give up your dog.

Dogs like companionship. I work, we have three dogs. They have each other so they are not alone. Changing a dog's home is unsettling, and can cause a change in your dog's behaviour. We have moved often enough to see this. The animal protection people discourage owning a dog if it is left alone most of the day, particularly in an apartment where there is no access to a garden (unless you have a garden apartment with a fenced area and a dog door).

Just because I am a dog owner does not mean I would want to listen to my neighbour's dog whine. Dogs whining and barking is not the same as children making noise. No one is going to expect you to give up your kids....but as you have read, people have been forced to give you their dogs as they felt they had no other options.

This is why I have said over and over again, choose where to live must be done very carefully. As a tenant you are locked in to a lease of at least a year or perhaps longer. Then there is the added costs of moving and the hassle. Getting it right the first time is not a matter of luck, it is a question of experience.

My suggestion is to move. The stress from this kind of aggravation is not worth it. I have negotiated getting out of a lease when the landlord wants the people out and in some cases, off the hook without finding a follow on tenant (nachmieter) If they want you to move, they may facilitate this. Give it a try.
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Re: Complaint about Dog

Someone posted in an earlier thread about a similar issue and to be quite honest agencies and landlords will pretty much always side with the the person who does not own the dog. That's just the way it is. Cats can get away with murder (well not quite) and everyone is ok with that, but dogs are another story.

I won't get into the wisdom of keeping a dog at home when both spouses work and the dog is alone. That's your call. But, you may well find that it will come back to haunt you. Never mind the laws, your agency/landlord will consider themselves to be quite justified in saying that as you are not at home you cannot possibly know how your dog is behaving. Take a look at your contract and see what the conditions are. You will probably find that you can be given notice if, after due warning, you do not take positive action. You will probably be able to drag the whole process out for quite a long time but you will expend a lot of nervous energy, you will "waste" (because surely there is something else you would rather be doing) time talking to people who can offer "real" legal advice (not necessarily EF'ers, however well intentioned a bunch we may be), you will have a crappy relationship with your neighbours, etc, etc, etc.

Now ask yourself honestly, is that where you want to be?

If yes, then carry on...

If not, then I would seriously consider the options that are open to me and possibly start trying to negotiate a get out from your lease with your landlords and look for something more dog-friendly.
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