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Being held ransom by current tenant

I have viewed 3 apartments in the past few days. The one that I like best is the first one that I saw which has a small garden at a quiet location. However, the problem is the current tenant. They were very friendly to me and asked me if I want to buy their furniture. Since I came here with just one luggage, I told them that it would be a brilliant idea. So they gave me a list of the prices of each item that they want to sell. I thought the prices were steep when I first saw them, but I thought it was just Zurich prices, so I didn't bargain, I just said I would think about it. To give you some information, a second hand bed-frame for CHF700 and a dining table for 4 for CHF600 of what look like just normal furniture to me! They also want to sell their Ikea wardrobe for CHF800! They said they are being very fair! But that wasn't the most outrageous part. When I asked them whether it's the landlord who decides which tenant gets the tenancy, they said that actually as the current tenant, they could make recommendations and it's almost like they get to make the decision. So they said they would go with whoever who buys the most furniture from them!

I do think the prices are very steep, even by Swiss standard, and they are second hand goods! But I really like the apartment, and if it means that by paying a little bit more, I could get the apartment, then I don't mind paying that extra bit. After all, I still save by moving out of my current studio flat which costs me a bomb every month. However, having spoken to my work colleagues, they all think that I shouldn't offer to buy the furniture because it is the landlord who gets to decide. They also think that the prices are outrageous and they really shouldn't hold me ransom like that. The truth is, it would cost the current tenant a bomb to try to get rid of their furniture. So the fact that they get some money for their furniture should already be a plus for them. But now, it seems like they are trying to make a fortune out of it! I just want to know if anyone has any experience like this and whether this is normal? Do you think I should pay more for the second hand furniture (although I am definitely not taking the wardrobes!) and get the apartment?
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Old 23.12.2009, 22:02
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

i'm sure you're going to get a lot of replies!
and i am sure i will be corrected.
but basically:
1) if you are moving on one of the official moving days, 1 April, 1 June or 1 October, then the landlord is likely to decide.
2) if you are outside these dates it is likely that you will be taking over the current tenants lease until one of these dates, in which case the current tenants decide.

Don't let yourself be "pulled over the table" by the current tenants - and that seems to be whats happening.

Sometimes you negotiate with current tenants for things like a sink taht they might have put in to the toilet that wasn't there before, carpets, light fitting, but certainly not furniture.

there will always be another apartment!
try www.comparis.ch
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Old 23.12.2009, 22:03
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

No one can comment on the furniture prices without seeing it. However it is the owner/landlord who makes the decisions. I suggest simply ignoring the current tenant...
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Old 23.12.2009, 22:09
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

If you do not like the furniture and think its too expensive, dont buy it. Remember that you have to like with this furniture for a long time and dumping them too will cost you a fortune

Cant believe the current tenants are behaving like ar**h*les to get rid of their furniture. At least they should offer you a reasonable price..

Also, try www.homegate.ch

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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

Just apply for the apartment and tell them you dont want they furniture. I have seen much cheaper prices elsewhere. You can buy stuff at IKEA for half nothing
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

The same thing happened to me when I first arrived -- the guy wanted 13,000 CHF (!!!) for all his furniture, and it was definitely a quid pro quo type of thing.

Ridiculous.
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Old 23.12.2009, 23:04
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Since the departing tenants have absolutely no say in who takes over the apartment it's actually YOU who are holding THEM for ransom! Look at their stuff.. tell them you're not really interested but you would be willing to take the "old" stuff off their hands for a quarter of what they're asking. And don't let them haggle..!!
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Old 23.12.2009, 23:29
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

I can understand you really want the apartment but that is no reason to practically force you to buy their furniture at such prices, they could be high if they are Ikea furniture or low if they are designer's but since we have no pictures...cant really comment. Still I would not want to buy furniture just because I feel forced to...
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Old 23.12.2009, 23:29
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Since the departing tenants have absolutely no say in who takes over the apartment it's actually YOU who are holding THEM for ransom! Look at their stuff.. tell them you're not really interested but you would be willing to take the "old" stuff off their hands for a quarter of what they're asking. And don't let them haggle..!!
Well, to be fair: I have moved before within CH, so I was the "departing tennant". I did not sell any furniture or pulled any other dirty trick, but I did in fact decide who got the flat: As posted above, the departing tennant has to provide the landlord with potential new tennants when leaving "early" (not on March or September). Potential tennants need to fill out a form as most of us did before. I handed those forms in and the landlord simply called them and arraged meetings in the order I handed them in. If you are a complete idiot at the first meeting or do not have the income to pay the rent, the landlord might turn you down and go for number 2 on my list. if I expect you to make trouble taking over the flat or simply liked the cutie more than you, guess if my list is ordered "first in"...

I find the furniture story really grotesk, but believe they could get through with it. So it depends on how bad you want to have this apartment. If you like it, but not that hard, you could as well give the landlord a call and friendly ask him if this was the default procedure in Switzerland...
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Old 23.12.2009, 23:57
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

As suggested above and AFAIK, if the previous tenant is arsed to get rid of his old furnitures, it should not be your problem. It is his headache and you should only speak to the owner/landlord or real estate agent who will facilitate your rental contract.There are cases that the tenant wants to vacate the apartment before the official dates and he looks for someone to take over. It is ok to do so but they cannot force you to buy their stuff. It's difficult to comment on real value of the furnitures without pictures, but the prices quoted sound like what you would pay for new furnitures in IKEA.
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

Well, the dining table and the bed frame are definitely not designer because they have a designer side table that they are trying to sell to me at CHF2500 This was later reduced to CHF 1850 to persuade me that it's good value. I went on the ikea website, it seems like you could get a double bed bedframe for CHF350 onwards.
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Well, the dining table and the bed frame are definitely not designer because they have a designer side table that they are trying to sell to me at CHF2500 This was later reduced to CHF 1850 to persuade me that it's good value. I went on the ikea website, it seems like you could get a double bed bedframe for CHF350 onwards.
Yep you can, you can get pretty decent bed at Ikea, it all depends on how much you want to spend. I think you should not buy anything...annoying when people try to manipulate
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Well, the dining table and the bed frame are definitely not designer because they have a designer side table that they are trying to sell to me at CHF2500 This was later reduced to CHF 1850 to persuade me that it's good value. I went on the ikea website, it seems like you could get a double bed bedframe for CHF350 onwards.
Two years ago I was in similar situation, bit of negotiations with rental agent on my side won me the contract. After having spent three hours in IKEA I managed to refurnish my flat with sultan size bed, wardrobe, bookshelf, chest of drawers, lounge table, sofa and kitchen table and it all cost me CHF3000 altogether.
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

Actually, the tenant does not decide. It is not his apartment. Even if he is looking for a follow on tenant outside of the regular notice period, it is still the landlord/owner who decides. Of course if the tenant is collecting the applications, he could choose only to submit the one for the person who is willing to buy their furniture and in this way he does control the process.

There are problems with leaving furniture, even if the current tenant wasn't asking any money for it. The landlord would have to approve furniture being left there. Most won't agree to this. They want to be able to carry out a proper inspection of the apartment, checking that it has been cleaned and there is no damage. The current tenant needs to have the apartment cleaned and it is difficult to do this when an apartment is not empty. Just because the new tenant takes over the apartment with furniture, this does not mean he is allowed to leave it there when he moves.

I have seen very few cases where a property manager/owner agreed to a tenant leaving furniture. Even practical items such as light fixtures landlords won't agree to have left behind.

Chiffchaff, you need to discuss this with the property manager/owner. The details must be on the application, assuming you have one. Call them and explain the problem. If they are not interested, walk away. You don't want to live in a place that isn't properly managed.
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

It does sound like the departing tenants are really pushing their luck and try to make a fortune in the process too! How opportunistic. But then again it depends on how badly you want the apartment. They are clever to use the apartment as their bargaining chip as otherwise people may not even consider taking their second hand furnitures! And they will then have to "beg" you to pay, well a not too unreasonable amount, for their "premium" furnitures, as surely it's a hassle to get rid of the furnitures. By the sound of it I probably wouldn't even pay them for the furnitures even if they beg If the initial reactions of other viewers are the same too, that they are having none of this sh*t, by offering to buy their furnitures would then unnecessarily give the couple even more bargaining chip...
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

It doesn't necessarily cost a fortune to dispose of unwanted furniture.

When we moved house and wanted to get rid of some of our old furniture, we gave it to the charity Rhema (sp?). The good stuff they took for free, because obviously they resell that. IIRC, it was less than 200CHF for 3 beds, bedside tables and some shelving units.

When it comes to negotiation, I won't be bullied. In your situtation, I'd simply tell them which furniture I wanted, and how much I'd be prepared to pay for it. Final offer. Of course, you've no idea what other prospective tenants are offering - yours might be the best offer!
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

Hi All,

A question on the same. When last time I was looking for apartments, I was given the application forms that I was required to mail to the concerned agency. I never came across a tenant who asked me to fill up the form in front of him/her which in turn would be sent to / handed over to landlord / agent as per the order he/she wished.

Can anyone clarify?

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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

I just can't believe what I read on here.

I am a Landlord in Switzerland and all I hear is that Landlords have complete control.

I rent my flats furnished or unfurnished for the same price. i.e. they can use the furniture that is in the apartment or if they don't want it I will put it in one of the spare garages.

The Landlord wants a paying tenent in the apartment and wont give a hoot about the tenents furniture. If the tenent doesn't take the furniture away, the Landlord wil pay to have the furniture disposed of and will be deducted from the tenants deposit. i.e. the tenent would more than likely give you the furniture for free and make you sign that that is the case.

Either the tenent doesn't want the furniture anymore (means it is worthless to them), are not renting in Switzerland anymore and hence don't need the furniture any more or the furniture is worth less than moving it to a new location.
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Re: Being held ransom by current tenant

Surely you can submit the rental application directly to the landlord/agency. Name and address is always at the top as required. Apt hunting in CH is tough, but don't fall prey to these kind of shenanigans. Then call the landlord/agency in person indicating how much you really like the place, but are not willing to buy the previous tenants' furniture as they are insisting.
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Hi All,

A question on the same. When last time I was looking for apartments, I was given the application forms that I was required to mail to the concerned agency. I never came across a tenant who asked me to fill up the form in front of him/her which in turn would be sent to / handed over to landlord / agent as per the order he/she wished.

Can anyone clarify?

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The information on the form is confidential and the tenant does not have the right to see it. In some cases, in addition to the application, the tenant will have envelopes addressed to the property management company for you to put your application in. Then you mail it on your own which is better than leaving it with the tenant.
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