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Renting with Livit

Do you know anyone who has rented an apartment through Livit and has cancelled their contract (moved out)?

I would like to know if Livit is complicated and expects renters to pay for all costs, even those they are not liable for. If this is the case, I will be signing a membership with the renter union (mieterverband) and have a representative of that union present at the appointment.

I ask because:
When I previously rented an apartment with my sister through Wincasa, they were very fair in terms of what my sister and I were liable for. In this case, it was not necessary to have someone from renter union.

Thanks for your help!
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Old 08.05.2009, 06:49
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Re: Renting with Livit

It's not expensive to join the renters union, I would do it anyway as there are plenty of things that can happen with renting that are not just between you and the landlord (difficult neighbours would be typical!)...
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Old 08.05.2009, 07:21
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Re: Renting with Livit

I rent from Livit ... I think they suck and they will try to ding you for whatever they can.

Definitely join the Mieterverband!
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Old 08.05.2009, 08:06
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Re: Renting with Livit

Much depends on the landlord's local agent (so-called Hauswart). If he is a stickler, than he will find plenty to nag about. I try to be friendly with him and that makes the interactions less stressful.
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Re: Renting with Livit

Any opinions about Preisig regarding the same ?
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Old 08.05.2009, 09:29
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Re: Renting with Livit

I have really bad experiences with Livit. E.g. they put an add once in the paper and put our phone-number in it without telling us or asking us!! And that was when we cancelled "Termingerecht" mind you. I don't even want to think about what they are like when you cancel "aussertermin".
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Re: Renting with Livit

Wow! Thank you for the swift replies!
I am truly impressed at the efficiency of this forum.
Good advice: I have decided to join the renter union.
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Re: Renting with Livit

Also I found this thread:

Deposit for flat rental [problems getting it back]

It is a similar discussion.
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I rent from Livit ... I think they suck and they will try to ding you for whatever they can.

Definitely join the Mieterverband!
I am with tomcat Livit are the worst grrrrrrrrrr
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I am with tomcat Livit are the worst grrrrrrrrrr
Livit's new corporate slogan:

We're not happy until you're not happy.

Or the alternate suggestion:

We are Livit. You are livid.

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Livit's new corporate slogan:

We're not happy until you're not happy.

Or the alternate suggestion:

We are Livit. You are livid.

LOL hahaha so true brilliant i love it lol hahaha
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Re: Renting with Livit

I was in a Livit apartment for about 4 years and in honesty, had no trouble at all during that period. I had new windows put in, the building was kept in good shape and I never had any cause for complaint.

Until of course I moved out, whereupon they became a pain in the ass.

If you're going to move out of an apartment, then use either this forum or some other equivalent service, and find someone who is prepared to take over your contract as is. Find someone BEFORE you tell the agency you are moving out. Once you have found someone prepared to take the apartment then you are free to leave.

It is the responsibility of the letting agency whether they accept the replacement tenants that you found. The only reason that they might not, is that they can not change the rent or the terms of the contract. But this is their problem, not yours, coz you've already satisfied the conditions to leave.

Bottom line is that I dont think Livit are likely to be any better or worse than anyone else, but you can make life easier for yourself.
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Re: Renting with Livit

They were very rude when we moved out - the guy asked me if I had ever cleaned the bathroom! (and yes I did) not to mentioned they checked how clean every inch or cm of the flat was- which I found a little stupid as the flat was going to be re decorated.

Did love the flat and still missing living in Enge!

Good luck with them - especially if you dont have someone handy that speaks Swiss German!
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Re: Renting with Livit

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If you're going to move out of an apartment, then use either this forum or some other equivalent service, and find someone who is prepared to take over your contract as is. Find someone BEFORE you tell the agency you are moving out. Once you have found someone prepared to take the apartment then you are free to leave.

It is the responsibility of the letting agency whether they accept the replacement tenants that you found. The only reason that they might not, is that they can not change the rent or the terms of the contract. But this is their problem, not yours, coz you've already satisfied the conditions to leave.
I did find a new tenant who would take over my apartment as it is, and Livit has accepted her. Two months before the Abgabetermin, she already moved into the apartment.

I was worried about not getting my Mietkaution (apartment rental) back, after hearing how Livit made excuses that the Mietkaution was still being used to pay for reparation costs (ex. wall painting), even after several months. (see Deposit for flat rental [problems getting it back])

To avoid this problem, I organized and paid someone to paint the walls before the Abgabetermin. The rest of the reparation costs would be taken care of by the Haftpflichtversicherung (personal liability insurance), or me and the new tenant would ask at the Abgabetermin that we would like to sort out the reparations ourselves (hire someone ourselves) rather than Livit hiring someone. I could pay the people directly for the reparations, and my Mietkaution would be returned completely intact and punctual.

Five days before the Abgabetermin, the new tenant called Livit to ask about the time when the Abgabetermin would take place, since this was not specified - only the day. They said that no Abgabetermin would take place.
All they ask from the new tenant is to send them a list of all the things that need to be repaired. Am I falling into a trap? Would this list mean that they would keep my Mietkaution longer after all because there was no opportunity to discuss.

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Re: Renting with Livit

I would definitely insist on handing the apartment back to Livit and at that time doing a walkthrough with a LIVIT representative with an Uebernahmeprotokoll. Once you have walked through the apartment and inspected it with the landlord and both signed the Protokoll you can only be held liable (apart from whatever is on the sheet) for "hidden" damage which would not have been visible during a normal walkthrough. Otherwise you run the risk of the incoming tenant damaging the place while moving in and making you carry the can....although reading your last post it sounds like this advice may be too late....


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I did find a new tenant who would take over my apartment as it is, and Livit has accepted her. Two months before the Abgabetermin, she already moved into the apartment.

I was worried about not getting my Mietkaution (apartment rental) back, after hearing how Livit made excuses that the Mietkaution was still being used to pay for reparation costs (ex. wall painting), even after several months. (see Deposit for flat rental [problems getting it back])

To avoid this problem, I organized and paid someone to paint the walls before the Abgabetermin. The rest of the reparation costs would be taken care of by the Haftpflichtversicherung (personal liability insurance), or me and the new tenant would ask at the Abgabetermin that we would like to sort out the reparations ourselves (hire someone ourselves) rather than Livit hiring someone. I could pay the people directly for the reparations, and my Mietkaution would be returned completely intact and punctual.

Five days before the Abgabetermin, the new tenant called Livit to ask about the time when the Abgabetermin would take place, since this was not specified - only the day. They said that no Abgabetermin would take place.
All they ask from the new tenant is to send them a list of all the things that need to be repaired. Am I falling into a trap? Would this list mean that they would keep my Mietkaution longer after all, because there was no opportunity to discuss.
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Re: Renting with Livit

I still have enough time bec. the new tenant has 7 days to report damages.
Thanks Snoopy for your good advice!

Is there any other advice or similar advice?
Any good advice would help!
I'm planning on contact Livit on Thursday to insist on an Abgabetermin, if this is right..
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I'm with Snoopy on this one. I wouldn't trust Livit for a minute!
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Livit AG - Your opinions please?

Hi,

So far we never dealed with any agencies for getting apartments. All contacts were with the owner only. But now we need to move to Zurich in June and have no other go except to check for ads in sites like homegate.

Today I found one apt, which interested us. But it is not from the direct owner, but from an agency called Livit. Since we already have a thread in EF, how an agency charged just for emails and phone calls, I'm really worried to proceed blindly.

So, if you have experience with Livit, please kindly share. Will they charge even if we don't like the house after seeing in person? or will they charge for even the email / phone call done asking for an appointment to visit the house?
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Hi,

So far we never dealed with any agencies for getting apartments. All contacts were with the owner only. But now we need to move to Zurich in June and have no other go except to check for ads in sites like homegate.

Today I found one apt, which interested us. But it is not from the direct owner, but from an agency called Livit. Since we already have a thread in EF, how an agency charged just for emails and phone calls, I'm really worried to proceed blindly.

So, if you have experience with Livit, please kindly share. Will they charge even if we don't like the house after seeing in person? or will they charge for even the email / phone call done asking for an appointment to visit the house?
I'm with Livit also and they didn't charge me nor was it any difficult getting the apt. To me they seemed hassle free and provided adequate service. They did call my employer and ask them if I was still employed there.
One other thing I though was very weird. I think it's a Swiss thing. The previous tenant had to be present and gave me the keys when I moved in. I had to check whether the apt was cleaned properly and give the lady from the agency the ok. She then told the previous tenant that he will get his deposit back...lol, thought that was funny.
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Re: Livit AG - Your opinions please?

Thanks lost_inbroad

Actually I did a search in EF before posting this thread. But then some how missed this thread.

Now really worried, how to sort out things and deal with agencies
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