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He is even sending me copy of his belgium passport (but i also know few tricks in photoshop). Of course he wants 700+850 CHf sent by Western Union, and he'll send me keys to place i define.
There are only common ways to provide a rental deposit in Switzerland:

1. Rental deposit account with a Swiss bank
2. Rental deposit insurance (often rather a loan than an insurance, if you cannot afford the deposit yourself)

Everything else can safely be considered a scam.

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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

i never trust anything that involves western union. it's a good rule, i think.
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

If it smells like a scam, it probably is.
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

That is a Scam, and quite a common one!

They tried this in every big city. My sister was about to send the deposit for a flat in downtown Barcelona when she just walked around and realized that in that street were the flat was supposed to be there was no building with the number 1.

The flats always look fantastic for the price you're paying, well and modern furnished, and always in a great location. And of course, they will send you the keys by post...come on, would you send the keys of your fully furnished home to anyone you don't know?

If it looks too good compared to the standard, it's probably a scam.
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

Fantastic deal, go for it immediately.....................but please no crying later on
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

so i checked it todays, and of course there is no number 13 on Taalstrasse. It was suspitious to me because of location (in every major city such centre is out of limits for regular renting and probably only offices there). Other thing was he was always writing about how he is contacting his lawyer immediately to make this contract and send it to me, but it definitely wasn't professional one. I myself rent one appartment in Prague, and there is no problem obtaining good template online in few clicks. Why does he need a lawyer for such a primitive act?
So here are information, so nobody else will fall for this one (hope google will index this asap):

Name of the guy: Julio Kelly Simpson
Address: Talstrasse 13, 8001 Zürich, Switzerland
Phone he gave me: +447011140599 (but he called me from CLIR-ed phone)

If the guy is little bit smart he will abandon this one pretty quick, but according to way contract looked, there is good chance it will save somebody's 1550 CHf
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Old 20.07.2010, 23:04
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

My friend's 80 sqm office on Talstrasse costs 8000chf/month. Just sayin
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so i checked it todays, and of course there is no number 13 on Taalstrasse. It was suspitious to me because of location (in every major city such centre is out of limits for regular renting and probably only offices there). Other thing was he was always writing about how he is contacting his lawyer immediately to make this contract and send it to me, but it definitely wasn't professional one. I myself rent one appartment in Prague, and there is no problem obtaining good template online in few clicks. Why does he need a lawyer for such a primitive act?
So here are information, so nobody else will fall for this one (hope google will index this asap):

Name of the guy: Julio Kelly Simpson
Address: Talstrasse 13, 8001 Zürich, Switzerland
Phone he gave me: +447011140599 (but he called me from CLIR-ed phone)

If the guy is little bit smart he will abandon this one pretty quick, but according to way contract looked, there is good chance it will save somebody's 1550 CHf
Ah, and it takes my savvy eye (if I do say so myself) to spot the real (or secondary) scam in this. The phone number above looks like a mobile number, but is in fact a premium rate number than can cost £20 per minute. Just finding out about the apartment can mean a punishing phone bill at the end of the month. And it's totally legal, and you'll never get your money back. If the scammer had brains, he'd keep you on the line, and keep you calling back.
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hello,
i need urgent help from You guys, experienced and living long time here.
I got offer for 1 room out of appartment for 700 CHf in Talstrasse, 8001 Zürich, which should be GOOD address according to maps. Guy says he is in England on project for Vodafone (sales manager), i've got his phone and we called each other, phone starting with +447.
He is even sending me copy of his belgium passport (but i also know few tricks in photoshop). Of course he wants 700+850 CHf sent by Western Union, and he'll send me keys to place i define.
It sounds very good, and i really need some resting place, but everything points to the fact that it's scam.
I'll definitely go and check that address tommorow and ask around his neighbours...
What do you think?
Where did you find the apartment advertised? Do post the link. That would save others some grief too.
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Where did you find the apartment advertised? Do post the link. That would save others some grief too.
http://www.expatriates.com/cls/10654624.html

that doesn't mean expatriates are bad server, that bozo just used it as it may attract little bit more inexperienced sort of people than homegate.ch for example.
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Old 21.07.2010, 09:58
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

FFS do people really have to ask if its a scam? it asks for money sent via western union FFS anything asking for money via western union = scam no exceptions.

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western union = scam no exceptions.
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

An addition to this funky topic:
One guy wrote me PM to thank for giving this guy info, he had similar offer in Delft in Netherland. I googled his name & phone before, but there was no entry. Good that google is so fast in indexing...
So this guy has probably EU scope, sitting anywhere in the world. Is there any real possibility how we can stop him? By that phone number, which needs to be registered somewhere for example. I am not so good at it, but just for fun and good feeling about it, I would like to stop him. Maybe that will inspire others, maybe not. But I believe it can make this world a little bit better place
So, any ideas?
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

If "Real Estate people" are friendly and helpful..... and reply immediately to your every request:
...SCAM SCAM SCAM !!!


you must know Real Estate Agents are the Spawn of the Devil, and will not help anyone !!!
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

Hello
I registered on this forum in order to make other people aware of the scam. I hope people will find this post via google and don't fall in the trap. I also got here via google - searching for the name of a guy who promised to rent me a studio in Vienna. It is obvioulsy the same person who 'rents' in different locations in Europe, and he uses the names of Adrian Kelly Young and Julio Kelly Simpson.
I am a student from Belgium and next academic year I will be an exchange student in Vienna, so I was looking for a flat there.
Here you have the e-mail where the guy "describes" himself:

Thank you for your response,am will be glad to have my apartment rented out to you due to the assurance you have given me to take very good care of my apartment for me in my absence..

my apartment is fully furnished in the kitchen there are cutleries in there that you can make use of ,i also don't want my house to be dirty and noisy thats the reason why i decided to rent it out to only one person and to make it a private use....

presently am in UK am just been posted down here by my company to work that is the reason why am renting out my apartment do you have anybody overthere that can go and check it out for you just that the person wont gain entrance inside because its presently locked and am here in UK with my keys thats is the reason why i sent you my apartment pics so that you can have an idea of how the inside looks like.....

Formally i do normally make use of an agent or friends but due to the way they cheat on my tenants thats the reason why i decided to travel with my keys......

about me am Julio Kelly Simpson i work for vodafone company am married with 2children and i love making friends with intelligent people,don't worry i will pay you a visit when am on leave so that we can see each other and introduce ourself better....

i will appreciate it if you can briefly introduce yourself to me ok..


do get back to me asap for further procedures

Adrian

He introduced to me as Adrian Kelly Young. After exchanging a couple of e-mails, he dropped this e-mail signed Adrian but where he says his name is Julio Kelly Simpson. A few seconds later, I received an almost identical e-mail, where only the name was changed from Simpson to Young.
He e-mailed me a "contract" which in my opinion doesn't have any legal value. He said he will send the keys via DHL and asked me to pay via Western Union (I didn't do it, of course). He calls me daily pushing me to make the payment, and when he calls me my telephone always displays "unknown number" (he gave me a number but I never checked yet if it works).
This incident really pisses me off, as I am desperate to find a room in Vienna (my school will start soon) and this offert was sounding so good in the beginning that I canceled al my other searches and tratatives.
I would be very glad if this guy gets caught, as it seems he fooled many people already.
PS: the address of the place he 'rents' in Vienna is Kaerntner Ring 30, 1015 Vienna
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Old 06.08.2010, 16:46
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PS: the address of the place he 'rents' in Vienna is Kaerntner Ring 30, 1015 Vienna
A quick google shows that this address does not exist.

Kaerntner Ring goes to number 16 only !
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They sent me an invoice including how to send money to them with Western Union. They also said that the flat keys are being sent to me via express post.
Invoice for viewing an apartment? Sounds fishy to me.
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Ah, and it takes my savvy eye (if I do say so myself) to spot the real (or secondary) scam in this. The phone number above looks like a mobile number, but is in fact a premium rate number than can cost £20 per minute. Just finding out about the apartment can mean a punishing phone bill at the end of the month. And it's totally legal, and you'll never get your money back. If the scammer had brains, he'd keep you on the line, and keep you calling back.
He also gave me the same number, +447011140599
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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

Hello everybody, I ve just read the message from Traud about Julio Kelly Simpson, and I am very surprised that I got a very similar message from him this morning. I m turkish academic in UK, and looking for a flat....So he saw my ad on gumtree...and he sent the messag below....Interesting that it is almost the same with Traud message....Let me show the message....and please let us write everywhere in google......

Hi huseyin,

I must tell you that i am very pleased you told me all i need to know and you being sincere about everything...Let me get this straight to you, Money is not the main problem about my property, All i need is someone that will take good care of my property for me and to make things okay with you....If you promise to take good care of my property for me without any damages then i can agree on the rent which you have at hand....
About me am Julio i work for a company am married with 2children and i love making friends with intelligent people,don't worry i will pay you a visit when am on leave so that we can see each other and introduce ourselves better....

For you to get the place reserved we will both sign a rental agreement contract which will be prepared by my lawyer then i will post the keys of the apartment and the payment receipt to you via DHL express (1-2 days delivery ) after your deposit payment which is your first month rent and the security deposit has been confirmed.

Below are the info needed from you wish my lawyer will use in preparing the rental contract......

Your full name:
Your full address:
Nationality:
Passport id:
Date of birth:
Phone no:
Move in date and out:


I shall be waiting for the above information soonest. Pls make sure you send me your correct current address because i would use that in posting down the keys and the payment receipt to you after we must have concluded the contract. Feel free to call me anytime so that we can discuss more.

Hope to read back from you soon.Please feel free to call me on my mobile number +447045751202 in case you have more questions to ask me...

Best regards,
Julio

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Hello Huseyin,
I received from him all the paragraphs you have in this e-mail, but spread in different e-mail, in a different order. He just has them somewhere and copy/pastes them. Don't send him any money!
I cheked out the ip from where he is sending his e-mails. After getting stucked in some american ip numbers, I finally got this one:
82.128.7.126
If you search on:
http://cqcounter.com/whois/
You will see where is he actually located...
Now I regret that I reported him already to the police from Essex, he gave me an address from Brighton to send the money - afterwards I realised he doesn't have anything to do with that place, the money sent via Western Union can be withdrawn wherever in the world.

Now, just for the fun: I keep e-mailing with the guy. He wasted my time, I'm going to waste his too. Just see below where it got to )



Hello Adrian
I have some unexpectd good news. A friend invited me to London this month. What do you think about meeting and we do the contract (I would like to have the pages of it numbered, that's the only thing I would like to change) and I just pay you the money cash?
I didn't book the ticket yet but I want to do it as soon as possible. Do you have any specific date when it is more convenient for you to meet? I would prefere it during a weekend, and after 15 if possible for you.
T


Hello T,

I have been trying your number since morning because i want to inform you that i will be traveling to Singapore for a seminar on behalf of my company for our new product..
if you can try and make it and come over this weekend because i will be leaving by Monday evening so that we can discuss it will be fine by me and also i reside in Brighton not London ok...
i shall wait for your answer ASAP...

Adrian



Hello Adrian,
Sorry but I can't before 15 neither, I have to solve some things here first because after I will come back from the UK I'll have to move to your appartment. I can't tell you how enthousiastic I am about it, I feel so lucky.
My telephone was stolen while I was visiting a friend in Germany (I just came back from there) so I don't think we can communicate that way until I find it or get myself a new one. I will try to check my e-mails as often as possible so we can stay in contact as good as possible.
A friend of mine asked if she could move with me, and then we share the costs. She is from Germany (Dresden) but she will be in Vienna together with me, as she will be my colleague. She is a very clean, carying, friendly person. Can I give her your e-mail to discuss details?
Please let's keep in touch while you are in Singapore and let me know when you are back, I am very looking froward to meet you. I can come tp Brighton as well as long as I'll be in the uk, the distance is not so big and the price is affrodable.
T

Me again
Hello Adrian
Elsie says that she doesn't trust Western Union because they are a bunch of thieves. Once she sent money to a charity organisation from Africa via Western union and the money never got there. I really want to pay you cash, even if it costs me more to go to Brighton at least I will be sure that money will get to you.
Do we have to pay extra if we will stay in your house with 2?
Elsie is desperate to find a place to stay.
I'd like to fix this as soon as possible.
I am waiting for an answer from you asap.
T


from Adrian:
I have explain earlier to you on how the procedures will be and thats is the way i believe its the best ok...
do let me know your opinion about this if you are still interested or let me attend to someone else ASAP



Hello Adrian
I am still very interested of course.
I am going to put the money in a letter and send them to your address.
Let me know if you are ok with Elsie livving with me, she is waiting for an answer.
T

from Adrian:
You and your friend can stay in my apartment my main concern is the maintenance of my apartment ok and also don't disturb the neighbors...
sending money tru posting is the wrong way because its very risky,like i have explain to you i believe thats is the only method i believe i can receive my funds you can go to any western union outlet and make the transfer tru there thats how i receive my funds from now because i don't have an active account yet in UK....
pls do get back to me ASAP because i have registered my keys at the DHL office for the past few days now and its getting to longer there do let me know your decision about this ASAP...
the contract we have both sign its a lot of guaranty between us ok.....

Adrian



And now, the mails between "Adrian" and frau Ilse Koch, in person )

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Ilse Koch <elsie.koch1488@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ilse Koch <elsie.koch1488@yahoo.com>
Subject: question about the appartment
To: adrian.young46@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:34 PM

Hallo honey
I've got your mail from my sweety T to ask you if I can share the room with her. I promise to be good girls and you can visit us any time Tell me what you want to know to prove that I'm a good girl.
tschüssy tschüss
Your Ilse




Re: question about the appartment

From:Adrian Young <adrian.young46@yahoo.com>

Add to ContactsTo:Ilse Koch <elsie.koch1488@yahoo.com>
Good Morning..

I have explain to her that the both of you can have my apartment pls do make sure you make use of my apartment in a very decent way ok


OOOOOOOOO so we have a decent guy here ) If someone else has too much time and wants to make some fun, he/she can get the Ilse Koch account from me, an appartment that doesn't exist makes a better hiding place than any south american country)

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Re: Flat SCAM! (or not?)

In case you searched for your "appartments" on the map and didn't find them, here is where they are all located:
http://ip.corporationwiki.com/82.128.7.0/#main-poi
I would say 500 euro is a bit to much for that location, but being so close to the ocean, maybe it has some potential, who knows .
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