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Old 16.03.2010, 16:47
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From my experience, they are making very simple decisions, based on money and origin. If there's someone Swiss/German who's earning more money at a respectable company, they'll take them.
Isn't that racist?
If they have the financials, why does it matter if they are Swiss/German.
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Old 16.03.2010, 16:53
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For some money is not the most important factor. There is a group of criteria that makes a perfect tenant and I wouldn't chose a tenant solely on the rent basis. For example I could consider:
- local / diplomatic status / long-term permit / short-term permit
- contract length
- ratio rent/earnings
- man/woman? family? children? car?
- gut feeling (and this one implicitly covers all kind of stereotypes)

After all I'm for the right of the owners to decide how their private property will be used without all the discrimination/racism/political correctness laws (bulls***).
all things being equal. Would you pick a black candidate or a white candidate? And why does it matter if they have a car?
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all things being equal. Would you pick a black candidate or a white candidate? And why does it matter if they have a car?
There are no such things as "being equal" - it's just a nice slogan. For example one is usually conditioned by his/hers culture and is likely to choose people from similar culture (insert ethnicity, religion, race, etc.) that shares common values - this automatically excludes many candidates, but there are still several left - so no need to broaden the search criteria.

Having the car is just another tiny grain of sand that affects the opinion. Have a good car -> can afford it, richer, etc. It's all subjective and claiming "everyone is equal" just doesn't gonna work.
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Old 16.03.2010, 17:31
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There are no such things as "being equal" - it's just a nice slogan. For example one is usually conditioned by his/hers culture and is likely to choose people from similar culture (insert ethnicity, religion, race, etc.) that shares common values - this automatically excludes many candidates, but there are still several left - so no need to broaden the search criteria.

Having the car is just another tiny grain of sand that affects the opinion. Have a good car -> can afford it, richer, etc. It's all subjective and claiming "everyone is equal" just doesn't gonna work.
Still didn't answer the question. So black or white?
And just because someone has a good car, how do you know they really can afford it?
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Still didn't answer the question. So black or white?
And just because someone has a good car, how do you know they really can afford it?
As for the question - my tenant preferences are none of your business.
My previous post summarised everything I had to say about it, and personal drilling further will give you nothing.
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Old 16.03.2010, 17:45
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As for the question - my tenant preferences are none of your business.
My previous post summarised everything I had to say about it, and personal drilling further will give you nothing.
Fact that you can't say it . Says it all.
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Old 16.03.2010, 17:47
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Now honestly, what possible reason could I be given for not getting the apartment? I'm waiting for the rejection letter...
I cannot answer your question of course, but just anecdotal evidence from myself seems to suggest that their criterias are somewhat different to what you'd expect, as I got the affirmative call from many appartments where several dozen people both older and better paid than me also applied. (many of which single professionals in their 40s and 50s, so no "risk" of kids)
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Fact that you can't say it . Says it all.

why are you trying to make this into yet another racism thread???
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Old 16.03.2010, 17:57
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Guess what! The parents of the kid (s) find the crying annoying also! We are only family in our building and never any complaints. I think its boring to lump everyone similiar together, but guess that's Swiss socieyy, from schooling to work enviroment to where people live. Ah Switzerland, so perfect, but actually it's not. I take it you didn't cry as a baby? I find the smokers here much more annoying then a baby crying. Groan well deserved
Well guess what? You might be one of the luckier ones on here who havent faced nightmare neighbours. Do a search on this forum and you'll find threads aplenty regarding them. You think its boring lumping everyone similar together, I call it long-term thinking on the agents' and landlords' part. They just want to collect rent at the end of the day and minimise their time diffusing neighbourly disputes. So smartest thing to do is to lump people at similar stations of life in their building. Sure, it has not been a piece of cake for many of us finding accomodation but fact is, thats the way things generally work around here.
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Old 16.03.2010, 20:42
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Well guess what? You might be one of the luckier ones on here who havent faced nightmare neighbours. Do a search on this forum and you'll find threads aplenty regarding them. You think its boring lumping everyone similar together, I call it long-term thinking on the agents' and landlords' part. They just want to collect rent at the end of the day and minimise their time diffusing neighbourly disputes. So smartest thing to do is to lump people at similar stations of life in their building. Sure, it has not been a piece of cake for many of us finding accomodation but fact is, thats the way things generally work around here.
Makes no sense. Some old people blast TV all night. You assume that all people with kids are noisy.
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Old 16.03.2010, 20:43
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why are you trying to make this into yet another racism thread???
it is you who said it
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Old 17.03.2010, 02:20
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I apologise, and know that this is a well discussed topic on this forum, I just need to vent my frustrations. If anyone knows of a good place in Winterthur downtown, any info would be appreciated. I'll buy you a pint and a packet at every Drinks event for a long time coming.
It is indeed frustrating. Can't help you out in Winterthur at all. Sorry, wish I could.
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Old 17.03.2010, 09:32
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Not Swiss kids. They are sitting in their room quietly coming out only for meals :P
Not the ones that live above me.

They must have pet hippos as well.

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House rules apply even if you own the appartment. However, whereas a baby crying is certainly annoying for the neighbours, it is considered "acceptable noise" even in Switzerland, as this is not something the parents can avoid, even if they do their best. Which of course does not mean that the neighbours are not allowed to find it disturbing, they (or the landlord) just can't do anything about it. As some people have mentioned earlier, it is usually easier to share a house with people in similar stages of life and habits and therefore for a family with young kids, a house with other similar families is simply more suitable than say, a house with retired couples who really like their peace and quiet. So it's only reasonable from the point of view of the landlord to try and find a tenant who would fit in. I don't see why this was groan-worthy.
It's cause you hate babies. Remember, people don't think that their children are objectionable. If you imply that someones children might not be the sun that shines out of their parents orifices then you are a bad person.

If you don't have children then you can't understand and if you have children then you are supposed to agree and buy into whatever the other parents say. And for the record, I have a child and there is yelling.

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Old 17.03.2010, 10:24
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it is you who said it

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we're going tomorrow night for my interview in a place we really hope to get, I shall avoid wearing my nazi uniform, I'm going to paint my face white so they can't spot I'm black, I'll rent a Ferrari to show that I'm wealthy and doctor my passport so they think I'm Swiss... would that increase the chances?

Swiss people, from what I can tell, are not racist, or at least no more than everybody else. We all have people we like and people we don't like, and I don't think that the colour of the skin or the size of the wallet is the benchmark.

At the end of the day, is their house and they can choose whoever they want. We did it when we we rented our house in Guersney

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Makes no sense. You assume that all people with kids are noisy.
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kid can make as much noise as she wants. But guess what we all screamed and made noise at that age.
I guess that's why people assume that kids are noisy.
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At the end of the day, is their house and they can choose whoever they want. We did it when we we rented our house in Guersney
I met a few home owners renting out apartments, asking everything about my personal circumstances. Wanted to know if i own a car, what sort of pet i have. Asking if iam a religious person etc. My experience is you waste your time with those people who want to tell you how you should live and as long you can not proof you are a very religious person, non smoker, no car owner, get up at 6.00 and get to bet at 10.00pm every, against drinking alcohol. not to voting for svp.being vegetarian. not wearing tatoos etc. you will not get the apartment even you pay 1year rent in advance and pay 3month rent deposit.

If you do you will deal with people who enter your rented apartment at any time they think you are not at home, mow the lawn every saturday at 8.30am tell you when to wash your laundry, telling you not to use the driveway and want to renovate the apartment while you rent it.
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I met a few home owners renting out apartments, asking everything about my personal circumstances. Wanted to know if i own a car, what sort of pet i have. Asking if iam a religious person etc.
I actually had the same questions asked by a couple of agency, both in person and on applications forms, I don't think they are a prerogative of the landlords..

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My experience is you waste your time with those people who want to tell you how you should live and as long you can not proof you are a very religious person, non smoker, no car owner, get up at 6.00 and get to bet at 10.00pm every, against drinking alcohol. not to voting for svp.being vegetarian. not wearing tatoos etc. you will not get the apartment even you pay 1year rent in advance and pay 3month rent deposit.
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Now, isn't that funny? you are the 3rd person in 2 days to tell me pretty much the same thing...

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If you do you will deal with people who enter your rented apartment at any time they think you are not at home, mow the lawn every saturday at 8.30am tell you when to wash your laundry, telling you not to use the driveway and want to renovate the apartment while you rent it.
you may have had bad experiences... I'd like to believe that there are landlord out there who are happy as long as you pay the rent and don;t wreck the place... otherwise the Missus and I are ed
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Old 17.03.2010, 13:12
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Makes no sense. Some old people blast TV all night. You assume that all people with kids are noisy.
Definitely noisier than couples who dont.

And how is my post not making sense along with ullainga's that deserved a groan? Oh thats coming from a tit-for-tat groaner, who've not bothered to introduce himself to the community. Pleasant chap.
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