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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

dont live in annemasse. its a depressing horrible place.
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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

If you're looking for French towns close to Geneva, you might want to look into St-Julien or Ferney-Voltaire. The latter has the added advantage of being very close to the airport. There is a bus, but I don't think it's very frequent (you might want to check the timings though, because I might be wrong). It used to be called the Bus F (and probably still is).

As for St-Julien, it might be bus 42, if I'm not mistaken, and maybe also the bus D.

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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

A bit off the subject of Annemasse, but if your children will be attending the international school (LGB), have you considered the school bus transport? This would minimise quite a lot of your concerns I think. It is a really good service that covers all the surrounding areas of Geneva, Vaud, and France.

Also, to be frank, the housing situation is so tight here, you may have to be more flexible and take what you can get otherwise face living in temp. housing for 6 months-year.
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Annemasse is disgusting ! Try Pas de l'Echelle or Veyrier or maybe even Collonges-sous-Salève...awesome villages, bus stop, all 3 are 15 min away from downtown Geneva !
I can recommend these as i live in one of them (so house prices should have plummeted) would also recommend bossey, croix de rozon and perhaps st julien as good over "this" side. they are in order too..
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Annemasse is disgusting ! Try Pas de l'Echelle or Veyrier or maybe even Collonges-sous-Salève...awesome villages, bus stop, all 3 are 15 min away from downtown Geneva !
Not sure what is supposed to be awesome about Pas de l'Echelle? The motorway? The railway line? The route nationale? The triage station for the rubbish? The carrière? The cablecar above your house?

Prices in Veyrier are probably among the highest in the whole canton of GVA. I doubt that you will find someting for 3200 CHF with a garden that suits a family of four (100+ m2)... ABC (Archamps, Bossey, Collonges) have been so massively colonized by the Swiss that the rents are almost comparable to GVA now (hoses are >>>2000 EUR, when they are recent and well situated). IMHO Neydens and the rest of zip code 74160 is a bit more affordable (but no more PT in the immediate vicinity; except Saint Julien city center where prices are high again).

Which brings me to the point I want to make (I haven't much time to write although I could fill pages...). Given your budget (</= 10'000 CHF assuming that the 3200 CHF you mention elsewhere correspond to a third of your gross salary), why not dump international school in GVA city and send the kids to public school (either in France or Switzerland, depending on whether you end up in campagne française or genevoise)? Several advantages:
- Quality schooling for free,
- Substantial savings on your monthly budget (or you ask your employer to add it to your pay cheque),
- Your kids blend in with the locals & bring to perfection their french,
- You avoid that the whole family of yours gets trapped in the "expat ghetto culture" (cf. the present forum ;-))
- Transportation to the school/back home by bus is well organized (at least in France; dunno for the Swiss country side)
- Far greater choice for picking your dream country home (You don't seem to be much of city dweller...)
- Only one commute to organize (yours), i.e. lots of choices: car, car sharing, car & PT, motorbike, car & bicycle, bicycle all the way...

And, as said before: There's no use focalizing on only one or two villages (as you do right now) since chances are extreeeemely low that you will find a home exactly there & exactly when you need it. Mostly, when looking for family homes, you will have to take what is available...

PS: French homegate = www.seloger.com plus www.paruvendu.fr for the classified ads.

PPS: Annemasse is indeed not that nice but there are portions of Gaillard (Douane de Fossard) and Ambilly (Douane Mon Idée, I guess) which perfectly suit your needs, including PT. Check www.tpg.ch in parallel with Google Earth or (better) www.map.search.ch
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Thank you Sophisticat, that's another 2 names to my field of search, and more in the area we are also keen on. I keep banging on public transport because our son will need to use them for going to / from school, so would you say these 3 villages you mentioned are well served by public transport to Geneva, or do you have to combine car park / public transport / bike?

many thanks for your suggestions!
Since I've lived all over the place, Veyrier is the best ! You have the number 8 bus at your doorstep, from 5 a.m. until 2 a.m.(http://www.tpg.ch/fr/ligne8/retour/vrdo), except for Sundays I think ! From where the bus will drop him off, he'll have about 15 minutes of walking to the Geneva International School...a bit of exercise in the morning ! The village has all the stuff you need > restaurants, shops, hair-dresser, church, public toilets, etc...and it's (usually) very quiet !
Oh, did I mention the view of the Mount Salève and a cable car (10 minutes away) that will take you all the way to the top to enjoy the most amazing view of Geneva ?

I've never had to combine les TransportsPublicsGenevois with anything, they're just so well organized !
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Not sure what is supposed to be awesome about Pas de l'Echelle? The motorway? The railway line? The route nationale? The triage station for the rubbish? The carrière? The cablecar above your house?
Well, I didn't live close to the motorway, but the train was really annoying sometimes... 'la carrière' ? Big deal... and the cable car never bothered me ! But you're probably right, not really ideal...but you're the one who said ''to take what is available'' !

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Prices in Veyrier are probably among the highest in the whole canton of GVA. I doubt that you will find someting for 3200 CHF with a garden that suits a family of four (100+ m2)... ABC (Archamps, Bossey, Collonges) have been so massively colonized by the Swiss that the rents are almost comparable to GVA now (hoses are >>>2000 EUR, when they are recent and well situated). IMHO Neydens and the rest of zip code 74160 is a bit more affordable (but no more PT in the immediate vicinity; except Saint Julien city center where prices are high again).
Veyrier is pricey but totally worth it dude !

Neydens/St. Julien ? That's kinda far away for someone going to school in Geneva !

The rest of the 74160 ? lol... In that case, maybe they should say goodbye to Geneva schooling !

Are you an estate agent or somethin' ?



P.S. @Taveau, I'd still go with private schooling rather than public...yes, talking from personal experience !

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Not sure what is supposed to be awesome about Pas de l'Echelle? The motorway? The railway line? The route nationale? The triage station for the rubbish? The carrière? The cablecar above your house?

Prices in Veyrier are probably among the highest in the whole canton of GVA. I doubt that you will find someting for 3200 CHF with a garden that suits a family of four (100+ m2)... ABC (Archamps, Bossey, Collonges) have been so massively colonized by the Swiss that the rents are almost comparable to GVA now (hoses are >>>2000 EUR, when they are recent and well situated). IMHO Neydens and the rest of zip code 74160 is a bit more affordable (but no more PT in the immediate vicinity; except Saint Julien city center where prices are high again).

Which brings me to the point I want to make (I haven't much time to write although I could fill pages...). Given your budget (</= 10'000 CHF assuming that the 3200 CHF you mention elsewhere correspond to a third of your gross salary), why not dump international school in GVA city and send the kids to public school (either in France or Switzerland, depending on whether you end up in campagne française or genevoise)? Several advantages:
- Quality schooling for free,
- Substantial savings on your monthly budget (or you ask your employer to add it to your pay cheque),
- Your kids blend in with the locals & bring to perfection their french,
- You avoid that the whole family of yours gets trapped in the "expat ghetto culture" (cf. the present forum ;-))
- Transportation to the school/back home by bus is well organized (at least in France; dunno for the Swiss country side)
- Far greater choice for picking your dream country home (You don't seem to be much of city dweller...)
- Only one commute to organize (yours), i.e. lots of choices: car, car sharing, car & PT, motorbike, car & bicycle, bicycle all the way...

And, as said before: There's no use focalizing on only one or two villages (as you do right now) since chances are extreeeemely low that you will find a home exactly there & exactly when you need it. Mostly, when looking for family homes, you will have to take what is available...

PS: French homegate = www.seloger.com plus www.paruvendu.fr for the classified ads.

PPS: Annemasse is indeed not that nice but there are portions of Gaillard (Douane de Fossard) and Ambilly (Douane Mon Idée, I guess) which perfectly suit your needs, including PT. Check www.tpg.ch in parallel with Google Earth or (better) www.map.search.ch
THanks, this is very useful. Indeed, food for thoughts. We lived 2 years in East Germany and kids went to local school. No expats where we were and we thoroughly enjoyed it. many ups and quite a few downs too. I see your point clearly, but the International School is an opportunity the children want to take for now anyway. And yes, it comes with the perks. I understand how it gives us a headache in term of where to live. I really appreciate your advice, though, and will continue to widen the "circle" for the miracle accommodation with a small garden and access to public transport.
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Veyrier is pricey but totally worth it dude !

Neydens/St. Julien ? That's kinda far away for someone going to school in Geneva !

The rest of the 74160 ? lol...

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Are you an estate agent or somethin' ?
Do you, personally, have some kind of problem with what I am saying ???

To me, Veyrier looks and feels like the perfect suburban hell: SUVs all around, au-pairs raising the kids, social incest...

Maybe people in Veyrier are not yet as "full of it" as in Vandoeuvres or Collogny, but they try hard to get there ;-) (And I'm not making things up: Did you notice the "arguments" of the conseil municipal against the new housing project at Plateau de Vessy? - Sheer arrogance!)
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Since I've lived all over the place, Veyrier is the best ! You have the number 8 bus at your doorstep, from 5 a.m. until 2 a.m.(http://www.tpg.ch/fr/ligne8/retour/vrdo), except for Sundays I think ! From where the bus will drop him off, he'll have about 15 minutes of walking to the Geneva International School...a bit of exercise in the morning ! The village has all the stuff you need > restaurants, shops, hair-dresser, church, public toilets, etc...and it's (usually) very quiet !
Oh, did I mention the view of the Mount Salève and a cable car (10 minutes away) that will take you all the way to the top to enjoy the most amazing view of Geneva ?

I've never had to combine les TransportsPublicsGenevois with anything, they're just so well organized !
Many thanks! This is the kind of detailed, practical tips I'm after! I'm also trying to be in the shoes of my 15 year-old son who, so used to taking the bus into Nottingham City Centre to meet up with his friends, is anxious not to have to rely on his parents for his every move. The little 9 year-old, though, is quite happy to go wherever as long as her 2 cats come with us (hence the desperate search for something suitable for pets, as well as kids!)
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Many thanks! This is the kind of detailed, practical tips I'm after! I'm also trying to be in the shoes of my 15 year-old son who, so used to taking the bus into Nottingham City Centre to meet up with his friends, is anxious not to have to rely on his parents for his every move. The little 9 year-old, though, is quite happy to go wherever as long as her 2 cats come with us (hence the desperate search for something suitable for pets, as well as kids!)
PSST: On Homegate, the type of homes which cosrrespond to your "cahier de charges" start at >5000 CHF/months. But I understand that everyone is convinced that he will get lucky

More seriously: Remember to think about a "plan B" BEFORE you come in June or you might grow very frustrated... I'm outta here.

Signed: The guy who has looked for a family home for rent, with a garden for his cats and within acceptable commuting distance to GVA last year...
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PSST: On Homegate, the type of homes which cosrrespond to your "cahier de charges" start at >5000 CHF/months. But I understand that everyone is convinced that he will get lucky

More seriously: Remember to think about a "plan B" BEFORE you come in June or you might grow very frustrated... I'm outta here.

Signed: The guy who has looked for a family home for rent, with a garden for his cats and within acceptable commuting distance to GVA last year...
Thanks anyway. Yes, it is easy to underestimate the housing shortage when you have not experienced it and we might end in a shoe box along a railway line, but we won't say that we haven't tried!
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Many thanks! This is the kind of detailed, practical tips I'm after! I'm also trying to be in the shoes of my 15 year-old son who, so used to taking the bus into Nottingham City Centre to meet up with his friends, is anxious not to have to rely on his parents for his every move. The little 9 year-old, though, is quite happy to go wherever as long as her 2 cats come with us (hence the desperate search for something suitable for pets, as well as kids!)
You're very welcome...but what we can agree on (me and the other dude) is that Annemasse is a dump !

As he suggested, have a look at Google Maps on the surrounding areas of Geneva...you probably won't find the perfect spot > great public transport/nasty housing or amazing house/sh!tty public transport !

Anyways, GOOD LUCK, you're gonna need it...
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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

So everybody is saying that Annemasse is a dump, disgusting, a hole etc. I am not disbelieving any of you but could someone who has lived here a while elaborate a little bit on this seemingly widely held opinion?
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We are a family of 5 and moved to Messery last September after having spent a year on the other side of the lake. We did a lot of research before moving again and we are absolutely happy with our choice. Very good atmosphere, close to the lake and quite international. Your budget will stretch a lot further than in Switzerland or on the Rive Droite. By car it is 25 mins to Geneva Plage parking if you commute to Geneva. Our kids go to LGB on Wednesdays which is a 30 min. drive. We often go to Annemasse (ot the center) as there is good shopping but I don't find it attractive as a place to live. If you are looking to find a decent house with a garden for your money, I would certainly look into Chens-sur-Leman, Messery or Nernier. Yvoire is too far away. best regards.
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I spent a few months in Annemasse to get my French Baccalaureat at the Lycee des Glieres.
There is no way I would live there. It is just such a depressing place. I don't know how and why it got that way.
There is a French facebook group entitled :Annemasse une des villes les plus moches de France! Discussions or Annemasse one of the ugliest city in France. Discussions.
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We are a family of 5 and moved to Messery last September after having spent a year on the other side of the lake. We did a lot of research before moving again and we are absolutely happy with our choice. Very good atmosphere, close to the lake and quite international. Your budget will stretch a lot further than in Switzerland or on the Rive Droite. By car it is 25 mins to Geneva Plage parking if you commute to Geneva. Our kids go to LGB on Wednesdays which is a 30 min. drive. We often go to Annemasse (ot the center) as there is good shopping but I don't find it attractive as a place to live. If you are looking to find a decent house with a garden for your money, I would certainly look into Chens-sur-Leman, Messery or Nernier. Yvoire is too far away. best regards.
Was it difficult to find somewhere to live in Messery? Any problems with living in France and working in Geneva (permit wise)?
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Hi,

No it wasn't that difficult for us but everyone says we were lucky:-) I would check some of the real estate firms to get an idea, there are plenty around.
In terms of permits, you need a Permis G, there is no problem to live in France and work in Geneva, there are are about 52.000 holders of a permis G at present.

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Hi taveau ,
Where did you end up?
What was the search like - any other placed you'd recommned.

We might be moving to Geneva (with 2 little kids) I think I'd rather live in France - to save cash.

Any tips etc would be appreciated, as you know it is hard to search from the British Isles with just homegate and google maps as a guide.
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I think I remember that the TO ended up somewhere around Puplinge (rive gauche) as he told in another thread (There were 3 of them more or less in parallel).

You might wish to check his contributions via his profile...
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