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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

I now moving to geneva and am wondering if a commute from Anncy is feasible? I would be going to Vernier which is 37 minutes according to Google Maps but I guess morning traffic will increase that a lot.
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I now moving to geneva and am wondering if a commute from Anncy is feasible? I would be going to Vernier which is 37 minutes according to Google Maps but I guess morning traffic will increase that a lot.
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Old 23.09.2010, 13:52
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I now moving to geneva and am wondering if a commute from Anncy is feasible? I would be going to Vernier which is 37 minutes according to Google Maps but I guess morning traffic will increase that a lot.
Definitely feasible. I've never had a problem with traffic on the autoroute from Annecy to the Swiss border. You'll find the traffic on the A1 from the border to Vernier to be a hassle though - high volume during peak times. I've been stuck in traffic jams in the morning along that stretch of freeway more than once.
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Definitely feasible. I've never had a problem with traffic on the autoroute from Annecy to the Swiss border. You'll find the traffic on the A1 from the border to Vernier to be a hassle though - high volume during peak times. I've been stuck in traffic jams in the morning along that stretch of freeway more than once.
Thanks Nickyboy. How is the housing situation in annecy? Any tips on finding a place there?
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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

Sorry, I don't have any tips on housing. The people I know who live there all bought. Definitely not cheap, but quite a fabulous town, nonetheless.

I'm surprised by how many people say you can't commute from Annecy. It's easily doable, depending where your office in GVA is located. If the office is not in middle of the city, like Vernier in this case, it's a pretty easy commute as you avoid the cluster f**k that is driving in GVA.
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Sorry, I don't have any tips on housing. The people I know who live there all bought. Definitely not cheap, but quite a fabulous town, nonetheless.

I'm surprised by how many people say you can't commute from Annecy. It's easily doable, depending where your office in GVA is located. If the office is not in middle of the city, like Vernier in this case, it's a pretty easy commute as you avoid the cluster f**k that is driving in GVA.
I hear the tolls are 200 euro per month driving from Annecy to Geneva
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What's wrong with Annemasse????

There was a report on TV the other day about genevans getting kicked out of their homes and having trouble finding a flat (especially the poor ones). Also, everyday you hear and read about how hard it is to find an apartment in geneva (even for the middle class).
Then you look at the listings in annemasse and what do you see? a large amount of available apartments for HALF the prices of Geneva!?!?!
You can EASILY find a studio for about 700 francs/month when the same studio would easily cost over 1000.- in geneva (if you can even find one).

So now I'm thinking, ok Annemasse must have terrible public transportation and must not be that close. Yet there are about 2 trains/busses an hour and the trip to the center of geneva takes just under 30 minutes! that's better than lausanne!

So what's wrong with Annemasse? does anyone here live there? I'm guessing it's not that interesting but when the options are Annemasse or a genevan street bench, I fail to understand why more people don't live there.
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Old 17.04.2011, 10:57
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Re: What's wrong with Annemasse????

What makes you think swiss people are not already taking this opportunity?
According to an old (2009) article more than 20'000 swiss work in Geneva and live in France. In the whole Rhône-Alpes region there are more than 54'000 registered swiss.
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Old 17.04.2011, 11:04
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Re: What's wrong with Annemasse????

Annemasse has always have a bad reputation (at least for Genevans) I'm 42 now and when I was young I remember that it had already a *bad* reputation.

and add the fact that some people from the near France come in Geneva to pickpocket you (that's what we call "racailles")
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Re: What's wrong with Annemasse????

It's just not very pretty (Mind you, if the number of inhabitants does x20 in the 20th centurey alone, that's not so astonishing...). But in contrast to GVA it's pretty dynamic (not only in terms of real estate development) and I am pretty sure that the well-located parts of Annemasse (e.g. close to the future CEVA regional railway station) will become very sought after in a short lapse of time.

The bad reputation comes from two or thee quite neatly deliminated areas almost exclusively devoted to social housing (which you can easily avoid) and those appartment blocks (e.g. alongside Route de Genève) which suffer from heavy traffic.

Personally, I wouldn't want to live there because I have my life elsewhere now. But if you barely look for a place to rest your sleepy head at the end of the working day and tend to be out in the mountains during the weekend, you might wish to take a closer look at it. IMHO, it's definitely not worse than Lignon, Avanchets, Cité Meyrin, Lancy-Onex, Thonex (and so on) in GVA.

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PS: You will have to learn French to blend in and be able to do something with the locals... There are presumably no expats-only community activities in Annemasse.
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What makes you think swiss people are not already taking this opportunity?
According to an old (2009) article more than 20'000 swiss work in Geneva and live in France. In the whole Rhône-Alpes region there are more than 54'000 registered swiss.
And that's only the registered ones. You can probably triple this to account for all of those who live full-time in their "holiday homes".

But I do not believe that this phenomenon does necessarily concern studios in Annemasse...
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Re: What's wrong with Annemasse????

So what are the nicer neighborhoods in Annemasse?

All this doesn't answer the question why genevans would rather live on a street bench than Annemasse (in the report that I watched, this was clearly the case, people were going to the salvation army because they "couldn't find an apartment").

And to the others that replied, thanks, but I'm specifically refering to Annemasse, not the other french towns (Annemasse seems to be the cheapest and have the best public transportation of all french neighboring towns). I know a lot of genevans live in those other towns, but I don't know any swiss that live in annemasse
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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

hmmm, seems my thread was merged with another thread...

My thread is not about life in Annemasse, but rather to figure out why so few swiss people live in annemmasse when there is such a housing shortage in geneva. Maybe the admin could de-merge the thread? (not to mention, bumping a year old thread is usually frowned upon)
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Re: How is life in Annemasse?

I guess Swiss people have enough money to live in better places than Annemasse
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I guess Swiss people have enough money to live in better places than Annemasse
IIRC, you started a "looking for a place to live in GVA"-thread last year.

Although I am not sure where you ended up (indeed Yverdon?), I am just wondering what qualifies you to issue such a clear-cut judgement over the quality of different places you do not seem to live in (or at least not yet)?

Anyway, pretending that normal people in GVA are so rich that they can actually choose where they want to live is utter BS...

To the T.O.: I believe that for the average Swiss, the two options prevailing for a long time were: a flat in GVA or a house in the lovely French countryside across the border (which excludes Annemasse). Given that many Swiss middle-class people can no longer afford either of the two, I am convinced that Annemasse will become more sought after in near future.
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IIRC, you started a "looking for a place to live in GVA"-thread last year.

Although I am not sure where you ended up (indeed Yverdon?), I am just wondering what qualifies you to issue such a clear-cut judgement over the quality of different places you do not seem to live in (or at least not yet)?

Anyway, pretending that normal people in GVA are so rich that they can actually choose where they want to live is utter BS...

To the T.O.: I believe that for the average Swiss, the two options prevailing for a long time were: a flat in GVA or a house in the lovely French countryside across the border (which excludes Annemasse). Given that many Swiss middle-class people can no longer afford either of the two, I am convinced that Annemasse will become more sought after in near future.
Thanks for you input, this is my feeling exactly. The current situation (i.e no swiss are living in Annemasse) defies all logic. And once the CEVA is running...
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Absolutely not. I was working in Geneva and I accepted a transfer to the US partially because I just could not find a place while people from CERN and international organizations seemingly had no problem finding apartments and houses. I commuted 4 years from Lausanne.
At the time, it was not possible for Swiss people to live in France.
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Although I am not sure where you ended up (indeed Yverdon?), I am just wondering what qualifies you to issue such a clear-cut judgement over the quality of different places you do not seem to live in (or at least not yet)?
I checked out Annemasse but preferred to take a place in geneva. Luckily I can afford to live here
By the way, rental differences in adjoining areas is a pretty good indicator of the quality of those are areas in any part of the world.
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