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Old 08.06.2010, 18:05
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Viewed a house today

was 200 years old.
terrible location.
appalling condition.
requires huge amount of cosmetic (and some structural) work.

however, it did have one redeeming feature: i could afford to buy it

every sane bone in my body tells me not to touch with a barge pole, but i'm drawn to the idea of doing DIY for the next 20 years!
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:15
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Re: Viewed a house today

(Channeling Spaulding Gray, Terrors of Pleasure...)

You can change the house, you cannot change the location.
You can change the house, you cannot change the location.
You can change the house, you cannot change the location.
You can change the house, you cannot change the location.


If points 1,3 and 4 applied to a property in a great location, I might consider it...

But bad location - walk away.

Use this place as your base line for evaluating Swiss properties.

Happy house hunting!



** Actually, this being Switzerland, sometimes you can't even change the house. Been there, done that, couldn't get the permit...
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:17
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was 200 years old.
terrible location.
appalling condition.
requires huge amount of cosmetic (and some structural) work.

however, it did have one redeeming feature: i could afford to buy it

every sane bone in my body tells me not to touch with a barge pole, but i'm drawn to the idea of doing DIY for the next 20 years!
Run away, run far far away... A place like that will consume you. You will end up with a beard, in shorts , in tears.... You may as well run around the place tearing up 100CHf notes eating sawdust.
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:18
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Re: Viewed a house today

Its sooo unfair. Ive seen a castle (literaly) somewhere in France for 1.5M. The unfair part is that i cant afford it!!

*cry*
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:20
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Run away, run far far away... A place like that will consume you. You will end up with a beard, in shorts , in tears.... You may as well run around the place tearing up 100CHf notes eating sawdust.
So sorry to put a downer on your heart's feelings though... Also, are you running yet ?
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:24
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So sorry to put a downer on your heart's feelings though... Also, are you running yet ?
I hear that men are visual creatures..

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Old 08.06.2010, 18:27
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So sorry to put a downer on your heart's feelings though... Also, are you running yet ?
not running yet i'm going to try to cost it out and then will sleep on it.

anyone know how much it costs for builders/materials? at the moment, i'm working on UK rates x2 as an estimate.
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:29
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Re: Viewed a house today

I love old stones, and I love renovating, so I could understand the attraction if you feel the same way, which I have a feeling tou don't (?) either way, I'd just like to say one word to you (3 times):

Location, location, location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqqj0_ecFkM
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:31
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but i'm drawn to the idea of doing DIY for the next 20 years!
And how old will you be in 20 years? Don't do it! Unless you meet the girl of your dreams that is handy with tools.

You'll be building a house in a house.* Been there, done that and will never EVER consider doing that again.

*The house was dated 1730-1750, but has been in its current location since 1792.
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anyone know how much it costs for builders/materials? at the moment, i'm working on UK rates x2 as an estimate.
It will cost:

Anywhere from 2 to 5 times the estimated Swiss costs. Don't even try to compare to building in other countries.
Your sanity.
If you are married, half your worldly goods in the divorce settlement.

I refer you to Upthehatter's brilliant insight above.
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:32
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not running yet i'm going to try to cost it out and then will sleep on it.

anyone know how much it costs for builders/materials? at the moment, i'm working on UK rates x2 as an estimate.
Sounds like a >1 million CHF renovation job...
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And how old will you be in 20 years?

You'll be building a house in a house.* Been there, done that and will never EVER consider doing that again.
it wouldn't really take 20 years. well maybe it would if i had to find the time to do everything myself. realistically, with the builders i had in the UK, it could be done in a year - two at the very most.

cost is another matter. i can easily see the refurb costs being measured in multiples of the purchase cost

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Unless you meet the girl of your dreams that is handy with tools.
maybe you can introduce me to one of these girls:



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Re: Viewed a house today

How are the roof, electrics and plumbing/heating? these are the biggest money eaters. Do you need to knock walls to make bigger rooms?, are these walls structural walls?, if so, they'll need steel girders, these too cost a lot! What about insulation? How much heat does the house loose?, how much will your gas, electric bills be? etc... etc... etc...

oh, and what's the location like, really? why do you say it's awful?
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Old 08.06.2010, 18:52
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I love old stones, and I love renovating, so I could understand the attraction if you feel the same way, which I have a feeling tou don't (?) either way, I'd just like to say one word to you (3 times):

Location, location, location.

it used to be a part time business for me in the good days of increasing property values in the States...
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Re: Viewed a house today

I think it depends on whether you are seeing it as a potential investment (risky) or just somewhere to spend the rest of your days.
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How are the roof, electrics and plumbing/heating? these are the biggest money eaters. Do you need to knock walls to make bigger rooms?, are these walls structural walls?, if so, they'll need steel girders, these too cost a lot! What about insulation? How much heat does the house loose?, how much will your gas, electric bills be? etc... etc... etc...

oh, and what's the location like, really? why do you say it's awful?
roof is OK but uninsulated. a large cost could be sunk into insulating the roof and putting in windows (subject to PP) to get light in. a lot of renovation work could be done here as the roof floor is a wooden skeleton and a lot (all?) of the wooden boards need to be replaced (some broken). luckily doesn't appear to have any leaks/rot. beams look ok.

this work is purely optional, but part of the lure is that it would be a great room to chill out it with big space and can put in a mezzanine floor.

the other two levels of the house were divided such that 2 different people could live there and so both have kitchen and bathrooms. both are complete bomb sites and so would require refurb. i guess it is usable if you don't mind living in squalor, but i would fix it before i'd be happy to live there.

plumbing/heating appear ok. didn't test except that water runs from taps and drains w/o leaking. boiler unit seemed in good condition. electrics are working but i can't imagine them to be in great condition. didn't look too closely at this.

location-wise. it's next to train line and noisy road and no views. no parking/garage. and some awkwardness of the location that's hard to really describe. the actual overall area isn't too bad. just the particular micro-location. if i could move the house just 50m the locations wouldn't be bad at all.

if it wasn't for the location, i'd jump on it. but then again, if it wasn't for the location, i probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.
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Old 08.06.2010, 19:22
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location-wise. it's next to train line and noisy road and no views. no parking/garage.
Thats a complete and utter no-no to me. Imagine having the train bright and early Sunday morning going past...
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Re: Viewed a house today

You just saw it today and are riding high on the excitement of its potential. Give it 24 hours and you'll be able to be a bit more objective. Go see it a second time and it will suddenly not look as great as it did on first viewing.

In a month's time you'll look back and wonder what kind of drugs you were on to even consider it.

Happens to all of us.

Good luck finding the perfect place though.
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location-wise. it's next to train line and noisy road and no views /.../ but then again, if it wasn't for the location, i probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.
Sorry to barge in, as someone who doesn't even know you there's really no logic in making any comments, but since we're also in the process of possibly changing apartments and been thinking along the same lines as well as looking at various properties, I'd say next to train line and/or road is probably something one has to accept in most places in this country but "no views" is a sad description. Especially in Switzerland. Especially if you are looking at buying it.

And even if all of us unfortunately have to consider what we can actually afford, maybe it's not the time and place to go with only-half-of-a-dream here. I'm sure your love for 200 years of history can eventually also be found in some other location, with some view
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Re: Viewed a house today

and bring someone else to see it with you- preferably a cynic who knows about repairs and costs at least a bit.

personally, after owning my own house, i'm quite happy to be a renter
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