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Old 15.06.2007, 22:26
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Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

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We are moving out of our apartment in about 10 days and are concerned about the Etat de lieu. What exactly does the "gerance" expect?

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Old 15.06.2007, 23:03
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  • Everything spotlessly clean
  • all holes filled in
  • all repairs done (if any)
  • windows clean
  • shutters clean
  • all keys ready (for all doors)
Guess that is about all... What we did, we mandated a cleaning agency here in Lausanne who charged us about 600 CHF (for a 3.5 room apartment with 90 square meters) including a guarantee that the "gérance" would accept their work. Any faults which the "gérance" found at the état de lieu were corrected free of charge by them. The company was called "Blanc SA" here in Lausanne (http://www.blanc-sa.ch/)
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Hi all

I have another question regarding the our upcoming Etat de lieu.

We are in an apartment with a very large terrace and a small garden. Today we had a gardening service in to give the garden a "clean-up". My husband is now concerned about the condition of the terrace. We have a 50 sq meters of terrace which has concrete type tiles. Quiet a lot of these have become blackish in colour. We think these marks are a type of moss/fungus over the years - would we be responsible for this or would this be regarded as general aging???

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Old 21.06.2007, 23:08
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Re: Etat de lieu

I think you, but not sure. You can try diluted bleach with a brush on a small area, if it works, try it on all tiles...
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Re: Etat de lieu

You can also try cleaning strength vinegar (in the cleaning section of the supermarket not the eating vinegar section). I've used this to clean up the black stuff off my balcony. I would add some bi-carbonate as well, & scrub with at brush type moppy thing...
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I would recommend a pressure washer for those tiles.
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Literally translated, "state of place". In other terms, if you were visiting the place that you are leaving, to rent it, where would you look and what things would turn you off the place?
Some nooks and crannies like the:

-faucet heads, shower heads and doors, have calcium build up?
-exhaust fans clogged? (kitchen range hood especially)
-under cupboards (over work surface where food splashes)
-definitely moldy areas
-all keys accounted for? (lost ones usually mean door locks are replaced)
-roll up blinds cleaned inside and out
-mailbox keys
-parking place has oil deposits from cars?

If any of these items have not been accepted by them, and you leave, they will send you a bill to have them cleaned without prior notice.
Not all places are this harse, but has happened to us in the past.
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Re: Etat de lieu

Also, if you painted rooms in another color other than white they will send you the bill, even if the new tenant wants to keep the room painted...

In our old apt in Geneva we painted the kitchen a nice light blue-y color & the next tenant liked it & wanted to keep it that way. The regie said no, painted it white & sent us the bill.

I knew that I would get the bill for painting the kitchen but I thought it was sad the new tenant couldn't keep it, since she liked it. It's sad to have all white walls all time.
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Re: Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

Can anyone here perhaps recommend a good cleaning agency in the region of Neuchatel? That Blanc company in Lausanne would be too far away unfortunately, and I'd rather not pick a company blind from the yellow pages.

Also, we are moving out and are quite worried about all these potential problems with repairs and cleaning, even though we kept our apartment in a very good/clean state during the two years we have been there, but it was newly renovated when we moved in, and the owners did this all themselves.

The thing is, our owners live above us and we fear they might be very strict, and we feel vulnerable being foreign and unused to the system. So we have been thinking to have someone from the Mieterverband present during the final inspection, but I am not sure if that is a good idea. On the one hand, it shows you mean to go by the rules, and that implies also that you try to uphold your responsibilities. On the other hand, it might signal you are worried about getting charged too much, and perhaps that fact in itself might piss the owners off?

What do you think? Can we still ask the mieterverband later perhaps if disagreements occur during the final inspection?
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Re: Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

Hi

We had the same concern about having Asloca present, so I called and they said that they do not need to be present. If there are any disputes its important to call them immediately after the inspection and they will take over.

There are 2 documents which should be signed by yourselves at the inspection. If there are any issues, you should only sign one of these documents - unfortunately I can't remember which one needs signing and which one doesn't. The problem is that if you refuse to sign both that is a bigger problem so I would suggest you call them and they will give you the advise on the phone.
Another thing to do is to have a camera at the inspection so any issues can be photographed.

I hope this helps - sorry I can't remember the docs.

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Re: Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

You should not worry about this.
Worst thing would be they geta cleaner in and send you the bill for their work.
http://www.speed-ne.ch/
say they specialize in moving out cleaning
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Old 07.08.2007, 21:29
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Re: Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

Thanks guys, I will find out which document needs signing and post it here . Thanks also for the cleaners, will check them out.

Do you think it is possible for foreigner tenants like ourselves to clean the apartment to Swiss standards ? I am still divided between giving it a try and thinking it will be hopeless.
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Old 07.08.2007, 21:41
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Re: Etat de lieu [handover ettiquette]

The asloca site gives some info on the Etat de lieu but is's in french.

http://www.asloca.ch/conseils.php
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