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Damages on the floors [$?]

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I wanted to check if there is someone here who has had little accidents on their floors.
I had two scratches on my living room floor when I moved in and I need to know approximately what they will cost me when I move out.
If anyone has had similar damages them self or know about a repairing company that can give me an $ idea, that would be much appreciated.
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Old 28.07.2010, 13:53
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

What were they caused by? The black stuff, can they be rubbed away? A piece of rubber can do wonders.

I have a couple of scratches myself, due to my dog's over zealous chasing of his toy - but not black like yours. I am seriously hoping that the estate agent will miss them upon moving out. Long shot - but does anyone know if it will be considered wear and tear?
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

try to take off dark patches , sometimes they will put it down to fair wear and tear , if all else fails do what i did and stand on the when they inspect the floor . ;-)
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

Can't tell from the pic', but if it's laminate you are probably screwed as it is almost impossible to repair and the cost is stupid, best let the insurance sort it TBH. If it's wood then it's repairable, but expect to pay 80 chf ph+ for a someone who knows what they are doing, getting the black marks off should be straight forward, try with a little gentle rubbing with a 3M pad and a little javel. Unless you want to get into re-sealing don't use any form of abrasive or even 300g paper as it will take the finish off.

If they were there when you moved in are they not noted on the protokol?
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

I'm sure it'll be covered by your personal liability insurance if you have it, so in that case nothing to worry about. I have expensive looking hardwood floors that my cat has totally destroyed with his manic night-chases...relying on insurance for that, my landlord doesn't miss a trick. For those black marks I'd try an emery board.
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

Hmmmm, my floors were highly damaged in areas when I moved in. Hope they took note of it; otherwise I am screwed.
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Furniture polish.
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Hmmmm, my floors were highly damaged in areas when I moved in. Hope they took note of it; otherwise I am screwed.
Did you email them with a list of defects after? The tenant has 30 days to inform the landlord of any damages that might have been missed during the inspection.
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Did you email them with a list of defects after? The tenant has 30 days to inform the landlord of any damages that might have been missed during the inspection.
Actually ... I did ... with pics.

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I'm sure it'll be covered by your personal liability insurance if you have it, so in that case nothing to worry about. I have expensive looking hardwood floors that my cat has totally destroyed with his manic night-chases...relying on insurance for that, my landlord doesn't miss a trick. For those black marks I'd try an emery board.
Hardwood floors are usually the easiest to fix actually, and unless you have deep scratches can normally be polished out..... although it doesn't stop the landlords from slipping you a crippler of a bill

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What were they caused by? The black stuff, can they be rubbed away? A piece of rubber can do wonders.
Just happened when the furniture's were being moved around. Not possible to rub away, been trying to do that the past 2 years
I really just need a estimated price, doesn't need to be accurate, I just need a slight idea.
200-500, 500-1000, >1000 ?
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Old 28.07.2010, 14:23
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Just happened when the furniture's were being moved around. Not possible to rub away, been trying to do that the past 2 years
I really just need a estimated price, doesn't need to be accurate, I just need a slight idea.
200-500, 500-1000, >1000 ?
I'm not sure you'd get away with F.W.A.T for those marks Begga, so either of the 1st 2 could be right depending not on that little area of damage, but how far they have to go to blend a repair in with the rest of the floor, what type of wood the floor is made from (how long it takes), and if it's waxed or sealed.... and the anal capacity of your landlord.

2 examples of the vaguries I know of:
One young couple in Zug were stiffed 1,200 CHF for replacing a floor in a bedroom were the legs of the cot had taken the finish of the laminate to leave 4 cloudy circles. The owners stated on the protokol the floor was new when the folks moved in and less than 2 years old when they were leaving.
My friend dropped a hot iron onto his hardwood floor, I got the burn mark out but couldn't do anything for the bloody great triangular dent it was fairly hard to see as it was in a corner... landlord just ignored it.... or didn't see it.
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Just happened when the furniture's were being moved around. Not possible to rub away, been trying to do that the past 2 years
I really just need a estimated price, doesn't need to be accurate, I just need a slight idea.
200-500, 500-1000, >1000 ?
The floorboards can be replaced as long as you can still get the same colour/width or they can be sanded if they are real wood.

If it is lacquered, the repairers can tape an area off and just do that area. They do it up to the next row of boards so you can't see it. Mine was repaired in a corner - right by the entrance area and I can barely notice it.

Sanding and re-sealing my living area (55m2) was CHF 3500 and repairing a small area (1m2) was < CHF 400.

I love wood floors, but I have scratches and dints everywhere We are waiting until the kids grow up before we sand our floors again.
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The floorboards can be replaced as long as you can still get the same colour/width or they can be sanded if they are real wood.

If it is lacquered, the repairers can tape an area off and just do that area. They do it up to the next row of boards so you can't see it. Mine was repaired in a corner - right by the entrance area and I can barely notice it.

Sanding and re-sealing my living area (55m2) was CHF 3500 and repairing a small area (1m2) was < CHF 400.

I love wood floors, but I have scratches and dints everywhere We are waiting until the kids grow up before we sand our floors again.
Yikes....

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Yikes....
..yes.. and i'm sure they added on a bit when they saw the area we live in -we have one of the smaller places. "Can you see the lake?" and "can I look around/what's upstairs?" is often asked by tradesmen. They must factor this into their quote

Do you know if it is possible to just re-lacquer over without sanding the existing coat away?
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Re: Damages on the floors [$?]

I just found this website too:

http://www.woodfloordoctor.com/_how_...onanddiy.shtml

It might help you get those marks out.
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..yes.. and i'm sure they added on a bit when they saw the area we live in -we have one of the smaller places. "Can you see the lake?" and "can I look around/what's upstairs?" is often asked by tradesmen. They must factor this into their quote

Do you know if it is possible to just re-lacquer over without sanding the existing coat away?
Sadly to many folks get taken for a ride. Unless the floor is really bad all over there is hardly even a need for the big 'mower' style sanders as these in the hand of a novice can do more damage to floors than before they started, they make a heap of mess, and you can spend as much time attaching the paper as you do sanding. I prefer to hire an edging sander if needed or use my belt or orbital sander, you have much more control and can get a much finer finish.

You can, but beware, if it is laquer or varnish that has been applied, the surrounding are must be sound as if not it will flake and lift, and there is always (especially if using gloss finish) that the hard edge will show in the light. Regardless you will need something for the new finish to key to so TBH and to avoid sanding use wire wool would be my tip. If it's PVA seal that was previously applied then a light brush with wire wool for a key is often good enough, as it's has different properties to varnish and is easier to work with.
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Sadly to many folks get taken for a ride. Unless the floor is really bad all over there is hardly even a need for the big 'mower' style sanders as these in the hand of a novice can do more damage to floors than before they started, they make a heap of mess, and you can spend as much time attaching the paper as you do sanding.
All the areas where they had huge rugs and furniture was white, the rest of the floor was yellow. Near the back door had deep gouges from the previous owner's Labrador. It really did need sanding - and they used a fine grade orbital sander. I got 3 quotes too.
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A tip that worked for me. Innocently and slowly walk to the spot during the inspection and stand on the spots.

Protocol signed.

Honest? Maybe not. But in that house I still had outstanding work which hadn't been done for the two years since i took over the new house, so I figured it was fair enough
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All the areas where they had huge rugs and furniture was white, the rest of the floor was yellow.
Mmm, common when boards are laid and just clear lacquer applied, especially on soft woods like pine. When sanded, any bare wood (even hardwoods) will honey up when exposed to light, leaving the effect you describe. Using a stain treatment before sealing goes a long way to resolving this, and also lets you 'pick' the colour of wood, so pine can look like oak, and you can also achieve a marketry effect too, here they just tend to sand it and clear varnish it, or use coloured varnish, which IMO is not the best soloution should it scratch.... and they can't even say it's cheap here.

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Near the back door had deep gouges from the previous owner's Labrador. It really did need sanding - and they used a fine grade orbital sander. I got 3 quotes too.
Should have asked the Goose Maybe I should get into flooring big time, sound like where the money is. I checked Hornbach, Jumbo, Bauhaus and Bau Hobby for someone else recently and only 1 stocked the PVA product that I think is the best, mostly it was all clear or coloured varnish.
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