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What to do about picky landlady?

Dear All,

I have a slight problem and would like to know if anyone out there knows the ins and outs of this country's landlords

I am renting a small flat with a garden. My contract stipulates that I am to cut the grass. They provided me with a lawnmower and there used to be tools that I could use in the cellar.
Now, there was an incident with my dog and I had to find a new family for her. After that, they hid the tools away.

I cut the grass 4 weeks back and then went for holidays for 3 weeks. I came back last Friday and the landlady came to visit because there was damage in the garage (her doing).

Now, I received an email asking me to "do some odd jobs": she wrote the garden is in a terrible state and needs cutting, that I need to clean up my front porch, that I should not use the side garden to ride my bike (which I don't, of course), and that I need to move the trampoline to the back because it prevent sthe plants from getting sunshine.

I will of course, comply with her requests (when it is not this, it is something else anyway, everytime she comes, there is something for her to complain about), but I am wondering if here people can tell you how to furnish your garden, what to put in front of your front porch (there is a table and my dog's box, which I am trying to sell at the moment).

Is that legal? Can she oblige me to move the trampoline? (it does not fit at the back). Can people be that picky when you rent their flat?

If anyone out there knows the law, please enlighten me.

I have had to deal with crazy neighbor before and moved out, but here we go again, so, maybe it is me who does not understand,

Any idea?

Thank you,
Gigi.
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Old 13.08.2010, 21:25
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Re: What to do about picky landlady?

Not starting off very well are we?

There is a small difference with a big effect between giving advice and telling you to do it.
I think you definitely need to join a Mieterverband in Zürich,
http://www.mieterverband.ch/zh_top.0.html

a translation of special words used, http://www.mieterverband.ch/fileadmi...e_englisch.pdf
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Re: What to do about picky landlady?

If it is not stipulated in your contract you don't have to do it.

However not doing so would put you in bad terms with her.

Why don't you seat on a table and talk about those points ?
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Re: What to do about picky landlady?

Well here's the thing. Some landlords/ladies are horrible, annoying and intrusive - not just in Switzerland but the world over.

Of course she can ask you to do things like move your trampoline, cut the grass, water the plants etc. It may not be legally her right to tell you what to do, but of course she can do it nonetheless. If you do as she wishes then she may be happy (or probably will find something else to complain about) if you don't then she will undoubtedly make your life a misery.

So, really there's no point in arguing - either lump it or move out. Personally I'd go for the latter because there are also many completely nice landlords out there who will let you live your own life.

As an example, the old woman who lives behind us, who used to (as in past tense) own our house - we BOUGHT it - it is in fact actually ours - still regularly leaves notes in our letterbox telling us that the bushes are looking very straggly and we should take better care of HER plants. Reminding us that we should get our chimney swept, that we should not put our rubbish out too early in the morning etc. and on and on. We don't open them any more and just shred them in fact I've started even putting them back in her letterbox. Nosey old cow. She makes things very difficult for everyone. The family who lived next to her (she also owns that house) moved out because she basically made it impossible for them to let their kids play in the garden - they were too noisy, they left their toys out, they kicked balls in her garden, they dared to shout and laugh on a sunday, and god forbid - they had a trampoline - right at the end of the garden - right next to our garden and we never had a problem with it. In fact I always thought their kids were lovely and pretty well behaved (compared to mine!) She made them take down the trampoline with the argument it was killing the grass. And the a month later they chose to leave. Which was a real shame as they were such a nice family. But I can totally understand why they went.

In the end I think it's probably best to just cut your losses and look for somewhere else - that is after all the joy of renting somewhere.
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Re: What to do about picky landlady?

Is this she?

Remind her YOU are the customer.
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Dear All,

I have a slight problem and would like to know if anyone out there knows the ins and outs of this country's landlords

I am renting a small flat with a garden. My contract stipulates that I am to cut the grass. They provided me with a lawnmower and there used to be tools that I could use in the cellar.
Now, there was an incident with my dog and I had to find a new family for her. After that, they hid the tools away.

I cut the grass 4 weeks back and then went for holidays for 3 weeks. I came back last Friday and the landlady came to visit because there was damage in the garage (her doing).

Now, I received an email asking me to "do some odd jobs": she wrote the garden is in a terrible state and needs cutting, that I need to clean up my front porch, that I should not use the side garden to ride my bike (which I don't, of course), and that I need to move the trampoline to the back because it prevent sthe plants from getting sunshine.

I will of course, comply with her requests (when it is not this, it is something else anyway, everytime she comes, there is something for her to complain about), but I am wondering if here people can tell you how to furnish your garden, what to put in front of your front porch (there is a table and my dog's box, which I am trying to sell at the moment).

Is that legal? Can she oblige me to move the trampoline? (it does not fit at the back). Can people be that picky when you rent their flat?

If anyone out there knows the law, please enlighten me.

I have had to deal with crazy neighbor before and moved out, but here we go again, so, maybe it is me who does not understand,

Any idea?

Thank you,
Gigi.
For the trampoline, is the front area considered comunal or is it included in your rental agreement as part of the object that you are paying rent for ....?
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Re: What to do about picky landlady?

Is it possible to stand the trampoline on it's side when not in use, allowing the sun's rays to reach the grass?

What happened to the tools that disapeared, are they your responsibility?
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Tools?

No, they were in the cellar (so belonged to her, but she does not live here)- I used to think they were for me to use, together with the mower.

The last time she was here, she took them and probably locked them in her cupboard down there.

She used to complain about the cellar, never tidy enough... a cellar! I was keeping 3 suitcases there (it is a 30/40 sq meter cellar), since there is no space in the small flat. Finally I took them out, she came and said "thank you for taking care of the cellar, the last time, it was appalling"
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For the trampoline, is the front area considered comunal or is it included in your rental agreement as part of the object that you are paying rent for ....?
No, the trampoline is in my bit of garden. There is a fence around it, and a gate also. In the contract, it says that I must mawn the lawn, that's it.
The grass is growing under it without problem, and there is an old bush behind the trampoline, and it still gets the sun, or the light.
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Is this she?

Remind her YOU are the customer.
Oh, my goodness!! How did you find her???
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Well here's the thing. Some landlords/ladies are horrible, annoying and intrusive - not just in Switzerland but the world over.

Of course she can ask you to do things like move your trampoline, cut the grass, water the plants etc. It may not be legally her right to tell you what to do, but of course she can do it nonetheless. And the a month later they chose to leave. Which was a real shame as they were such a nice family. But I can totally understand why they went.

In the end I think it's probably best to just cut your losses and look for somewhere else - that is after all the joy of renting somewhere.

I definitely understand what you are saying about the neighbor (ex-landlady).
I also have 3 retired neighbors, who don't speak to me, but complain to her now and then: i.e. my son and a neighbor friend of his cross these old people's lawn (which no one ever walk on! and is more than 100 meters large) to catch their football or play wrestling. Or someone (another neighbor, nothing to do with me) parks on the parking spot where no one ever parks, and they write ot say that I must have "a friend" who parks there... etc etc...

Yes, you are right, the problem is that it makes my life a misery and I can't really enjoy my house.
The garden is not neglected, it is beautiful and I went for 3 weeks holidays and it rained for 3 weeks... she knows that of course.

I will think about your advise.
Thank you very much,
Gigi.
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If it is not stipulated in your contract you don't have to do it.

However not doing so would put you in bad terms with her.

Why don't you seat on a table and talk about those points ?

She always prefers to talk "face to face" with me, anyway except this once.
We've had a problem with my dog and I immediately found a solution for my darling dog and we don't have her anymore, because I knew this will become hell on earth. But I realise that it is endless. When it ended with my dog, she started on my cat, and then on my life "it is all falling apart, isn't it?" and now these other stuff...

I replied and said "thanks for the email, I will cut the grass as always as soon as the weather permits, I can't move the trampoline it does not fit, and I will tell my son that when he gets a bike, he should not use the side garden as a bicycle ramp"... let's see what she says. She usually does not answer to emails anyway, just prefers to snap.

I have also started to look on homegate for a flat, but I did not plan on this for now, and moving is expensive...

Thank you all for your answers,
Gigi.
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Not starting off very well are we?

There is a small difference with a big effect between giving advice and telling you to do it.
I think you definitely need to join a Mieterverband in Zürich,
http://www.mieterverband.ch/zh_top.0.html

a translation of special words used, http://www.mieterverband.ch/fileadmi...e_englisch.pdf

Thank you very much,
I will look into this,

Kind regards,
Gigi
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