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Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

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I am in UK now and I am very surprised that most of flats here in England donít have central heating system like in US. Almost everywhere is electrical heating units. It is very costly to use them compare to central heating system. Everywhere here are water-meters, so people pay good price for water, especially for hot water.

I had never had them when I lived in apartments in the United States. I could run as much hot water as I wanted without any limit. My friend in Sweden said that they have central heating everywhere and no such things as water-meters. Lifestyle in England is very surprised me.

I am just wondering is it the same lifestyle in Switzerland? Apartments/flats there have electrical heating instead central heating system? Water-meters are everywhere or water is unlimited like in States or in Sweden?
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Hello.
I am in UK now and I am very surprised that most of flats here in England donít have central heating system like in US.


In slums, perhaps. I never lived in a house or flat without central heating in England, and I lived there for nearly 35 years.


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I am just wondering is it the same lifestyle in Switzerland? Apartments/flats there have electrical heating instead central heating system? Water-meters are everywhere or water is unlimited like in States or in Sweden?
Central heating is pretty standard here, too. Not sure about water meters, though, apart from the fact that I can't remember ever having paid a water bill (I think it is included in the 'extra charges' for my flat).

I hope that clears things up a little. Where are you living in England, if you don't mind me asking?
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I am very surprised that most of flats here in England donít have central heating system
How did you manage to post from the 1970s? Are you using a Prestel terminal?
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Hello.
I am in UK now and I am very surprised that most of flats here in England donít have central heating system like in US. Almost everywhere is electrical heating units. It is very costly to use them compare to central heating system. Everywhere here are water-meters, so people pay good price for water, especially for hot water.

I had never had them when I lived in apartments in the United States. I could run as much hot water as I wanted without any limit. My friend in Sweden said that they have central heating everywhere and no such things as water-meters. Lifestyle in England is very surprised me.

I am just wondering is it the same lifestyle in Switzerland? Apartments/flats there have electrical heating instead central heating system? Water-meters are everywhere or water is unlimited like in States or in Sweden?
water in the UK is metered because that's how it's charged (rather than a flat fee). That's how it's done most places that care about water misuse although in apartment blocks this is normally paid centrally. Are you living in New Cross?
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In slums, perhaps. I never lived in a house or flat without central heating in England, and I lived there for nearly 35 years.
Actually I never lived anywhere centrally heated until the 80s. Although today you'd be pretty pushed to find anything not centrally heated apart from places right at the bottom of the private rental market. I can only imagine the OP is hanging around some pretty dodgy bedsits in the less attractive parts of London.

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Not sure about water meters, though, apart from the fact that I can't remember ever having paid a water bill (I think it is included in the 'extra charges' for my flat).
Water is metered everywhere in Switzerland (the charge covers both fresh water supply and sewage) - will be included in your NK bill. Increasingly so in England I believe but still a minority there.
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Water-meters are everywhere or water is unlimited like in States
Obviously you're not from California..
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

My water is metered here in the UK - £160 a month! It's an ongoing battle - no way am I using that much...

Prior to that, unmetered in previous house, £40 a month. Prior to that in the old days is was included in the rates bill.

There's talk again about road charging here, pretty soon we'll be charged for every breath and every fart.....
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

£160/month sounds like £120 worth of water is leaking somewhere.

I don't have a water meter in my flat in London; there's nowhere to install one as the water pipe serves many flats in the block. All houses now have meters, but older ones pay a flat fee (as do most people in flats).

Hot water is different. Unlike here (in Basel at least) everyone heats their own water either in a tank or instantly via a "combi" (combination boiler). The gas used for this is, of course, metered and charged.

Flat fees are easier, but encourage waste.
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

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Actually I never lived anywhere centrally heated until the 80s. Although today you'd be pretty pushed to find anything not centrally heated apart from places right at the bottom of the private rental market. I can only imagine the OP is hanging around some pretty dodgy bedsits in the less attractive parts of London.


Water is metered everywhere in Switzerland (the charge covers both fresh water supply and sewage) - will be included in your NK bill. Increasingly so in England I believe but still a minority there.
Funnily enough the charges for metered waste water are higher than the charges for metered fresh water; tempting to divert waste pipes into the garden but i expect the neighbours would complain.....
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

Why are we discussing this at all and why is it not in off-topic. Or shorter: Dear OP, if you are living in the UK, why do you care how water meters work in Switzerland?

I lived in several countries and the water/heating/electriciy supply was never a concern before moving within Europe... I can promise you that much: If you move here, the water supply will not be the costs you will be complaining about.
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

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In slums, perhaps. I never lived in a house or flat without central heating in England, and I lived there for nearly 35 years.
I obviously only lived in slums then, DB, as I never had a place with central heating.
Lots with draughts, though, trademark of British housing.
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I obviously only lived in slums then, DB
Well, knowing where you lived, I wouldn't argue with that.
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I obviously only lived in slums then, DB, as I never had a place with central heating.
Lots with draughts, though, trademark of British housing.
Phobia of air in motion - trademark of Swiss people.
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Re: Have apartments in Swiss central heating system or electrical?

Maybe some of you don't know what "central heating" is? It's NOT where steam or water is pumped around the city that you just tap into. It's where each house or flat has their own water "boiler" and pump, which fills radiators with hot water in each room.

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Maybe some of you don't know what "central heating" is? It's NOT where steam or water is pumped around the city that you just tap into. It's where each house of flat has their own water "boiler" and pump, which fills radiators with hot water in each room.
I can't stand those radiator thingies..I much prefer warm/cold air blowing at me through some shaft.

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I can't stand those radiator thingy..I much prefer warm/cold air blowing at me through some shaft.
but it's so unhealthy and inefficient... radiators, despite the name, heat via convection which is pretty efficient. I find space heaters/some shaft heaters to dry the air much more which kills my lungs - it's like stepping off an 18 hour flight.
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I can't stand those radiator thingy..I much prefer warm/cold air blowing at me through some shaft.
I'm the complete opposite.

I hardly ever use my inhaler, but give me hot air blowing from a shaft and I'm puffing away like Ivor the Engine.
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Phobia of air in motion - trademark of Swiss people.
This is so true!!
But fortunately, I am British and don't feel at home unless there is a force nine blowing around the back of my neck!!
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Phobia of air in motion - trademark of Swiss people.
So you have never worked in a "Minergie" building... I have: It has some super cool airflow model that recycles the heat through the entire building by moving it around. So you have holes in the floor and ceiling... problem in my one: The facility management aparently did not give a thing and just put the furniture into the building in the most space efficient way possible. The result was that some had their chair directly over one of those air-flow holes and constantly had a cold. So they put a piece of hardpaper on it - the result was that the next holes would blow more... half a year later and so many holes were covered that I doubt that the building did in fact still save any enegery...
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So you have never worked in a "Minergie" building... I have: It has some super cool airflow model that recycles the heat through the entire building by moving it around. So you have holes in the floor and ceiling... problem in my one: The facility management aparently did not give a thing and just put the furniture into the building in the most space efficient way possible. The result was that some had their chair directly over one of those air-flow holes and constantly had a cold. So they put a piece of hardpaper on it - the result was that the next holes would blow more... half a year later and so many holes were covered that I doubt that the building did in fact still save any enegery...
I've only worked in minergie buildings... absolute crap. It was 32 degrees indoors in the Summer of 2008.... and 30 outside. I think it's just a word they use instead of "we're too cheap to fit air conditioning".
 




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