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Old 16.10.2010, 22:01
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Hello Folks, I am in need of assistance.
I just rented a place which doesn't have any ceiling light fixtures.

Short of drilling into the ceiling are there any other options?
The building is brand new (2009) and each ceiling receptacle for the cables is a cylindrical space of about 6cm diameter and about 10cm deep.
I am wondering if those are some sort of Swiss standard hooking that you can latch onto.

Thanks for any advice you can spare
miguel
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Old 16.10.2010, 23:46
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Hello Folks, I am in need of assistance.
I just rented a place which doesn't have any ceiling light fixtures.

Short of drilling into the ceiling are there any other options?
The building is brand new (2009) and each ceiling receptacle for the cables is a cylindrical space of about 6cm diameter and about 10cm deep.
I am wondering if those are some sort of Swiss standard hooking that you can latch onto.

Thanks for any advice you can spare
miguel
I had the exact same problem when I moved into my new apartment back in December last year. It was brand new and the lighting wires were hanging down from a cylinder like you've described. Those white stuff (I forget the proper name) that you get from Migros and Coop to hide the wires wont work. I just had to push the wires right in and install light fixtures over it. Its possible.

Hope this answers your question.
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Old 17.10.2010, 00:20
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Hello Folks, I am in need of assistance.
I just rented a place which doesn't have any ceiling light fixtures.

Short of drilling into the ceiling are there any other options?
The building is brand new (2009) and each ceiling receptacle for the cables is a cylindrical space of about 6cm diameter and about 10cm deep.
I am wondering if those are some sort of Swiss standard hooking that you can latch onto.

Thanks for any advice you can spare
miguel
As far as I am aware there are no Swiss standard hookings. I would say that if you don't drill into the ceiling somebody else will - unless you want no lights or prefer using floor lamps or just hang a lightbulb which will be light enough to hang all by itself.

My advice - get the lamp you like because you have to look at it every day. Holes can be filled in when you move out or if you have a nice landlord he/she won't mind having the holes because - the next person will just drill new ones anyway.
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Old 17.10.2010, 02:19
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

There is a metal device available in shops that sell lamps, (Migros do it yourself) (Coop heim & hobby) (Jumbo) (Bauhaus)

I have spent a lot of time looking for this on Internet, and have found an image which needs rotating 90 degrees,
one electrical company calls them Lampenkraller.



http://www.mercateo.com/kw/lampenkra...enkrallen.html

It is a metal expanding device with a large hook. When you turn the hook, two sets of teeth expand and can grip the wooden block which is mounted in the ceiling (With the round hole). They are in 2 sizes, for up to 40 mm and up to 60 mm holes, & cost about CHF 7 to Fr 10 each.

Disconnect the supply at the fuse box. Arrange the 3 cable wires so they are at the side, and then fit the metall device in the hole, being careful not to damage the wiring. Do not cut the wires off! Trim the ends and fit them into an electrical connection strip. Roll up the excess wire and stuff it into the hole.

Now you can hang the lamp on the hook and connect up the electricity.

If you don't understand what I am talking about, please get an electrician friend to do the job!
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Old 17.10.2010, 02:51
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

Hey,

I have done many `moves` here in switzerland and as far as i`m aware, `fixtures and fittings` doesn`t mean the same here as it does back home.
As far as i can see, standard light fittings here do not exist. If it`s a new home/flat/apartment, it probably will not come with light fittings!!! buy the light fittings you want and get someone to install them for you.... this will involve drilling into the ceiling for a fix, but everyone has to do it, and when/if you leave, take them with you, if you don`t, you will only have to the same again next time!

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Hello Folks, I am in need of assistance.
I just rented a place which doesn't have any ceiling light fixtures.

Short of drilling into the ceiling are there any other options?
The building is brand new (2009) and each ceiling receptacle for the cables is a cylindrical space of about 6cm diameter and about 10cm deep.
I am wondering if those are some sort of Swiss standard hooking that you can latch onto.

Thanks for any advice you can spare
miguel
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Old 17.10.2010, 08:22
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

Thank you so much.

So, if I'm doomed to drill I just want to make sure not to get too friendly with my upstairs neighbour.
Would you guys be able to give me a safe drilling depth and possibily advice on the size of the fishers to use for an average ceiling fixture? (I won't have any Murano chanderlier in this flat )

thanks again
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Old 17.10.2010, 08:40
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

Go with Ittigen's recommendation. Works perfectly, no need for drilling and make extra holes, which you will have to fix when you move out.
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

You might not need to drill. I've just used the screw-in metal hooks (bought from any DIY). The light fittings haven't fallen down yet!
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Re: Ceiling fixtures

The distance between floors is usually quite large. The size of hole you need depends on weight. I've a reasonably heavy crystal chandelier, held in place, very firmly, by two 4cm screws. For most purposes 1" - 2.5cm - has been sufficient. It can be quite difficult to drill into the ceiling. You'll almost certainly need a hammer drill, and I suggest, if you've not got one already, getting the most powerful you can afford. And a decent set of masonry (baton) bits. You might find drilling a pilot hole with a small diameter bit makes the job a bit easier.

You need to use rawl plugs to screw the screws into. You need to ensure that you're not drilling into where the power cables run.

Do wear a breathing mask, and safety glasses.
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Go with Ittigen's recommendation. Works perfectly, no need for drilling and make extra holes, which you will have to fix when you move out.
Agree 100%. Ittigen's answer is what I was hoping existed and it's going to solve my problem in at least 2 rooms where I'm hanging "chandeliers".

I still have to address two hallways, entrance, kitchen etc.

Is there a "harness" that will allow me to go from hook to a sort of system I can get screws into to hang something like this:
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20055751

Thanks again you all,
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Old 17.10.2010, 10:53
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this will involve drilling into the ceiling for a fix, but everyone has to do it, and when/if you leave, take them with you, if you don`t, you will only have to the same again next time!

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Non-sense! in all the moves you do you always drill into the ceiling

OP the fitting Ittigen mentioned is what just what you need, they are cheap (ish) easily available, and providing the light hangs by means of a hook arrangement, you are good to go. If it involves a mounting bracket to fit to the ceiling only then will drilling be required, so if you chose your light fittings carefully there is no need to drill.

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Agree 100%. Ittigen's answer is what I was hoping existed and it's going to solve my problem in at least 2 rooms where I'm hanging "chandeliers".

I still have to address two hallways, entrance, kitchen etc.

Is there a "harness" that will allow me to go from hook to a sort of system I can get screws into to hang something like this:
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20055751

Thanks again you all,
m
That sort of fitting will require drilling, as it's flush fitting with 3 screw's, so a cheap light that if you pay someone to fit, or splash the cash on hammer drills etc works out to be quite expensive.

Good luck, and if in doubt, get someone in who knows what they are doing
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Old 17.10.2010, 12:42
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Is there a "harness" that will allow me to go from hook to a sort of system I can get screws into to hang something like this: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20055751
For those lightweight light fittings I use a long wood screw and if necessary a load spreading washer behind the screw head. You might need to make a new hole in the lamp chassis, near to the hole for the wiring, but up till now I haven't needed to.

Drilling holes while upside down in Swiss concrete isn't much fun, it leaves dust and then you have to fill them in again and paint over them, just when you want to leave! I avoid that at all costs, and I have moved 33 times in my life!
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