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What happens when chomage runs out?

Lets explain my situation

I am an expat from England and have been here in Vaud for almost 6 years. I have recently gained a C Permit. I am married and have 1 daughter - my wife and daughter live here.I have been unemployed for 15 months...since August 2012. I know my right to claim chomage/unemployment will run out later next year.

I have heard that Swiss citizens can claim the equivalent of social security if they cannot claim chomage. I have heard that this also applies to C permit holders. But I have also heard that if you own property here then its not possible to claim...

Can anyone clarify this please? I really do not see myself finding employment shortly and I'd rather know what is coming ahead than having to deal with it unexpected should the worst occur.

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Re: What happens when chomage runs out?

Swiss citizens and C permit holders, can only claim social security when they have sold all their assets and have lived on the capital, until it is gone.

The good news is that Canton Vaud has a scheme where you are employed by the Canton in a non profit organisation for 12 months. The pay is around Fr 3'000 per month, and after 12 months you must leave and go back on chomage.

When I lived in Avenches, I worked at an art gallery in Payerne for 5 months and then concurrently (Very important) I worked at a home for alcoholics for 7 months.

I went back on the chomage, at Fr 2'300, and some months later, through a friend of a friend, I found a job at Swisscom IT Services. It is really important to keep your contact list well oiled!
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Re: What happens when chomage runs out?

There is social aid if your income is below a certain level, however if you own a home, then the rental value counts as income.

And, if you get social aid, you usually have to pay it back.

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Swiss citizens and C permit holders, can only claim social security when they have sold all their assets and have lived on the capital, until it is gone.

The good news is that Canton Vaud has a scheme where you are employed by the Canton in a non profit organisation for 12 months. The pay is around Fr 3'000 per month, and after 12 months you must leave and go back on chomage.

When I lived in Avenches, I worked at an art gallery in Payerne for 5 months and then concurrently (Very important) I worked at a home for alcoholics for 7 months.

I went back on the chomage, at Fr 2'300, and some months later, through a friend of a friend, I found a job at Swisscom IT Services. It is really important to keep your contact list well oiled!
Was this paid work or volunteer work? Do you have to be on chomage to be considered? I'd love to work in a gallery or museum. Not sure i'd be good with alcoholics though.... Can you send me a link or some more info on this?



To the OP: If you have assets also beyond your house you won't be eligible for social benefits until it's all gone. However, you may be eligible for reduced health care or other discounts. I'd talk to the chomage rep. They usually know the rules about that stuff.
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Re: What happens when chomage runs out?

thanks for the replies and advice - Looks like I need to talk to my advisor
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thanks for the replies and advice - Looks like I need to talk to my advisor
They may not be very helpful as there job is to save the insurance money. Doing any work is the key, if it's well paid in the last 6 months even better
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They may not be very helpful as there job is to save the insurance money. Doing any work is the key, if it's well paid in the last 6 months even better
My guy in Lausanne was very helpful and knowledgeable. He laid out all my options (or lack there of) at the end of my chomage and always looked into options for education, retraining, and the like during my chomage.

Not all of them are baddies.
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My guy in Lausanne was very helpful and knowledgeable. He laid out all my options (or lack there of) at the end of my chomage and always looked into options for education, retraining, and the like during my chomage.

Not all of them are baddies.
My first one told me I would be kicked out of the country after 90 days . She said I could only work with her permission, I told her that work came before courses & I did not need her permission to work. I was on my 2nd C permit at the time
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My first one told me I would be kicked out of the country after 90 days . She said I could only work with her permission, I told her that work came before courses & I did not need her permission to work. I was on my 2nd C permit at the time
Luckily the OP in Vaud and has a greater chance of getting my guy vs getting your girl!
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My guy in Lausanne was very helpful and knowledgeable. He laid out all my options (or lack there of) at the end of my chomage and always looked into options for education, retraining, and the like during my chomage.

Not all of them are baddies.
I have to agree with this - I was unemployed earlier (but then found my last job) but in a different area and my advisor was pretty bad in retrospect - he had unrealistic expectations on what I could do for a job search, made it blatantly clear that Chomage does NOT have to provide any help in English and at times said I should go back to England - worst of all I was not given any training until very near the end of my period on Chomage

over 3 years later I was in the same position but had moved so fell under a new ORP ...my advisor instantly suggested I go on a French course... and have been on 3! The advisor understood that without French, my opportunities were/are very very slim
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My first one told me I would be kicked out of the country after 90 days . She said I could only work with her permission, I told her that work came before courses & I did not need her permission to work. I was on my 2nd C permit at the time
Wow - thats bad

Having spoken to a number of people over the years here, it seems that your Chomage experience largely depends on your advisors attitude towards you
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They may not be very helpful as there job is to save the insurance money. Doing any work is the key, if it's well paid in the last 6 months even better
well I would rather be working than not working - though tbh I'd rather return to England and find work in my field than sweep streets, work in McDonalds, stack supermarket shelves here - a personal choice
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The good news is that Canton Vaud has a scheme where you are employed by the Canton in a non profit organisation for 12 months. The pay is around Fr 3'000 per month, and after 12 months you must leave and go back on chomage.
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Was this paid work or volunteer work? Do you have to be on chomage to be considered?
These are special jobs the Canton's social services keep available for suitable people. These jobs are not in competition with local businesses and they are never advertised. The quango or government office asks the canton agency in Clarens and for suitable people to attend an interview. You are paid by the social services, who claim money from the quango, the idea being to get you off social dependency, and either back on unemployment pay or with the new experience, getting a proper job. I was at first offered a job cleaning toilets at the hospital in Estavayer, but luckily I couldn't start until 07:30 as there was no train.
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These are special jobs the Canton's social services keep available for suitable people. These jobs are not in competition with local businesses and they are never advertised. The quango or government office asks the canton agency in Clarens and for suitable people to attend an interview. You are paid by the social services, who claim money from the quango, the idea being to get you off social dependency, and either back on unemployment pay or with the new experience, getting a proper job. I was at first offered a job cleaning toilets at the hospital in Estavayer, but luckily I couldn't start until 07:30 as there was no train.
Reading article like this, gives me so much admiration for Switzerland.

Being long term unemployed, often takes so much spirit out of a person & something like this is great.
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I have to agree with this - I was unemployed earlier (but then found my last job) but in a different area and my advisor was pretty bad in retrospect - he had unrealistic expectations on what I could do for a job search, made it blatantly clear that Chomage does NOT have to provide any help in English and at times said I should go back to England - worst of all I was not given any training until very near the end of my period on Chomage

over 3 years later I was in the same position but had moved so fell under a new ORP ...my advisor instantly suggested I go on a French course... and have been on 3! The advisor understood that without French, my opportunities were/are very very slim
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Wow - thats bad

Having spoken to a number of people over the years here, it seems that your Chomage experience largely depends on your advisors attitude towards you
I really was really lucky then!

I was given French classes right away and they were C1 level. They also sent me to learn web design, which frankly didn't help any. Social media communications would have been more suitable as practically every job in MarCom these days asks for that. But they didn't offer that so web design it was.

He went through all the starting your own business options. Proposed class in that too which I didn't take. He even looked for chocolate making classes when I looked joked that I should do that.

He insisted on speaking English with me even though he knew I was taking C1 French classes.

And since I have a very specific job I was only required to submit 2 applications a month, though I did more than that.

This is why I always say you need to be nice and ASK ASK ASK. There is lots of wiggle room in CH and it all depends on who you are dealing with. If you don't like the answer ask someone else. You might get the same outcome. But then again you might be surprised.
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well I would rather be working than not working - though tbh I'd rather return to England and find work in my field than sweep streets, work in McDonalds, stack supermarket shelves here - a personal choice
The work I needed her permission paid 1500 a day.......not much point in applying to McD.
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Re: What happens when chomage runs out?

Some of the advisors are really nice once you get to know them, like seeing a friend for coffee just without coffee
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Some of the advisors are really nice once you get to know them, like seeing a friend for coffee just without coffee
Yes. That was basically it! They can't do much to help you find a job really. They have to meet with you, so.... My advisor took it as his time to practice his english.
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My guy in Lausanne was very helpful and knowledgeable. He laid out all my options (or lack there of) at the end of my chomage and always looked into options for education, retraining, and the like during my chomage.

Not all of them are baddies.
Mine is nothing like this. I have to know exactly what I need and then ask him for that, otherwise he doesn't propose anything. Now, he may have his reasons not to do so as my permit expires soon. He never refuses what I ask though...
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Re: What happens when chomage runs out?

my advisor kept suggesting that I look for work outside Geneva and that I move to another canton to reduce my living costs (and his stats, no doubt).
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