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Unfortunately we had to leave Zurich after only 1 year and are now in France ( :-( ). As many of you know, France is an odd country which loves to create specific regulations. In particular, France is the only country in the world not to allow motorbikes exceeding 100 horse power to be plated in France. The law was meant to change in early January 2016 but looks like only motorbikes over 100 HP with ABS will be allowed to be plated in France and my motorbikes (still CH plated) have more than 100HP but are not equipped with ABS, meaning I won't be able to plate them in France.

I am therefore stuck with 2 bikes in France unable to import them (and I do not want to sell the bikes). I therefore wanted to leave them in Switzerland (I only use them in the Alps anyway) but my insurer tells me that he cannot insure someone who is not Swiss resident, and without Insurance I cannot have Swiss plates anymore.

I was therefore thinking of selling my bikes to my best friend who happens to be Swiss national but does not live in Switzerland (he lives in France).
I know that for a foreigner, STVA requested my B-Permit to plate my motorbikes. But what about for a Swiss national, what documents does STVA require to plate a vehicle? Would just his Swiss Passport or ID card be sufficient?

Also, would you know what paper needs to be done for me to officially sell my bikes to him?

Thanks for your help.

Guillaume.
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Old 28.12.2015, 16:04
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Unfortunately we had to leave Zurich after only 1 year and are now in France ( :-( ). As many of you know, France is an odd country which loves to create specific regulations.
To be fair, France isn't exactly alone in creating its own regulations..... Switzerland, for example Although of course also the UK, US and any other country you might think of...

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I was therefore thinking of selling my bikes to my best friend who happens to be Swiss national but does not live in Switzerland (he lives in France).
I know that for a foreigner, STVA requested my B-Permit to plate my motorbikes. But what about for a Swiss national, what documents does STVA require to plate a vehicle? Would just his Swiss Passport or ID card be sufficient?
Well, neither of you is resident in Switzerland. Your friend will have had to reregister his Swiss vehicles in France after moving there (I forget after how much time). You need to be resident in Switzerland to register vehicles here, same principle as for any other country. I certainly can't register a vehicle in the UK, for example, since I no longer live there and despite being British.
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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Hi Hairybadger,

So how would a Swiss Citizen do with a secondary house in Switzerland to keep his/her car in Switzerland. According to Swiss law, a vehicle needs to be registered in the country and kanton where the vehicle spends most of its time.

The question very much is whether STVA only requests the ID card or passport of a Swiss national. For instance the Bern local authorities only request proof of residency for non national (http://www.pom.be.ch/pom/fr/index/st...ldung-imma.pdf)

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

My daughter lives in LA, and had a car and a motorcycle registered here for over a year without problem, she just used my address. But she is Swiss.

You only need a Swiss ID or passport to register them, no other paperwork or bill of sale. However, you will need a Swiss mailing address.

But, if they are registered in CH and you live in France, you can only ride them in CH. If they are registered in CH and you live in the US, you can ride them anywhere except the US.

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Hi st2lemans,

That is very useful, thanks for that.

I had heard about this story that you are only meant to drive the vehicle in the country where it is plated for import duty reason. I heard that story about a German guy who was living in Switzerland and had borrowed his son car in Germany and was driving it to Switzerland. He was stopped at the Swiss border and asked to pay import taxes despite the fact the car did not belong to him.

The insurance cannot forbid you from using the vehicle outside Switzerland though, as I understand it.

The Swiss address should not be an issue as Switzerland allows the c/o addresses as I understand it (only requires a copy of the ID of the c/o person the mail goes to).

Thanks again for your help.

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Hi st2lemans,

Sorry for asking but I called the Bern office and they were asking for the ID card of the c/o address as well (the girl did not seem too sure of what was really needed to be honest). Did you daughter have to provide a copy of your ID card as well or just her ID card and your address was fine?

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

My daughter was living here when the vehicles were registered, and just kept them registered when she left.

If any mail comes for her, I have a POA to deal with it.

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Thanks.

The STVA (the office issuing plates) does not care actually about me being in France and they are very happy to send me the bills in France and collect the CHF. The issue comes from my insurer who says he cannot insure a foreigner :-(

Thanks again and I hope I'll find a solution to my problems.
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The STVA (the office issuing plates) does not care actually about me being in France and they are very happy to send me the bills in France and collect the CHF. The issue comes from my insurer who says he cannot insure a foreigner :-(
I would guess that the issue is insuring a non-resident, non property-owning foreigner (which is how property-owning non-resident foreigners get around it).

Perhaps try another company?

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

You are right as STVA asks for proof of ownership if we are not resident.
I think my insurer telling me that STVA does not allow insurances to insure non-residents is actually wrong.

Can I ask what insurer your daughter is insured with? Mine is Zurich insurance, a very nice guy and good prices but unsure he knows the regulation that well.

Guillaume.
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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

AXA-Winterthur.

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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Thanks, I think I am going to check with them then.

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Hi Members,

Unfortunately we had to leave Zurich after only 1 year and are now in France ( :-( ). As many of you know, France is an odd country which loves to create specific regulations. In particular, France is the only country in the world not to allow motorbikes exceeding 100 horse power to be plated in France. The law was meant to change in early January 2016 but looks like only motorbikes over 100 HP with ABS will be allowed to be plated in France and my motorbikes (still CH plated) have more than 100HP but are not equipped with ABS, meaning I won't be able to plate them in France.

I am therefore stuck with 2 bikes in France unable to import them (and I do not want to sell the bikes). I therefore wanted to leave them in Switzerland (I only use them in the Alps anyway) but my insurer tells me that he cannot insure someone who is not Swiss resident, and without Insurance I cannot have Swiss plates anymore.

I was therefore thinking of selling my bikes to my best friend who happens to be Swiss national but does not live in Switzerland (he lives in France).
I know that for a foreigner, STVA requested my B-Permit to plate my motorbikes. But what about for a Swiss national, what documents does STVA require to plate a vehicle? Would just his Swiss Passport or ID card be sufficient?

Also, would you know what paper needs to be done for me to officially sell my bikes to him?

Thanks for your help.

Guillaume.
Hi,

You can without doubt register a bike over 100 BHP form 1/1/16, I thought it was from 1/1/15. I was going to restrict my Triumph, but sold on the forum instead.

You don't need any paperwork to sell, just hand the grey card to new owner & send plates back.
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Hi Members,

Unfortunately we had to leave Zurich after only 1 year and are now in France ( :-( ). As many of you know, France is an odd country which loves to create specific regulations. In particular, France is the only country in the world not to allow motorbikes exceeding 100 horse power to be plated in France. The law was meant to change in early January 2016 but looks like only motorbikes over 100 HP with ABS will be allowed to be plated in France and my motorbikes (still CH plated) have more than 100HP but are not equipped with ABS, meaning I won't be able to plate them in France.

I am therefore stuck with 2 bikes in France unable to import them (and I do not want to sell the bikes). I therefore wanted to leave them in Switzerland (I only use them in the Alps anyway) but my insurer tells me that he cannot insure someone who is not Swiss resident, and without Insurance I cannot have Swiss plates anymore.

I was therefore thinking of selling my bikes to my best friend who happens to be Swiss national but does not live in Switzerland (he lives in France).
I know that for a foreigner, STVA requested my B-Permit to plate my motorbikes. But what about for a Swiss national, what documents does STVA require to plate a vehicle? Would just his Swiss Passport or ID card be sufficient?

Also, would you know what paper needs to be done for me to officially sell my bikes to him?

Thanks for your help.

Guillaume.
Very sad.
had a friend who was stopped by the French motorbike police some years ago (at a toll point) for speeding on his bike. He explained he was trying to reach 200/Km/hr.
They understood and let him go free.
Sadly those days are gone for ever...
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Very sad.
had a friend who was stopped by the French motorbike police some years ago (at a toll point) for speeding on his bike. He explained he was trying to reach 200/Km/hr.
They understood and let him go free.
Sadly those days are gone for ever...
I fail to see what's sad about the days of being an irresponsible twat being over. Go to the track, or pick an open, straight and unoccupied stretch of German autobahn if that's how you get your kicks.
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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Unfortunately fatmanslims, I think France is really about to introduce this ability to register bikes over 100bhp only to bikes with ABS. According to motomag who was part of the discussions, the draft of the law says (http://www.motomag.com/100-chevaux-s...bridees.html):

"Les motos immatriculées, equipees d'un systeme de freinage antiblocage de roues et dont une variante ..... disposant d’une puissance supérieure à 73,6 kW (100 ch) peuvent être rendues conformes à cette variante ou version."

i.e. plated motorbikes which are equiped with ABS... and which have a power over 100 bhp, can be put back to unrestricted version.

It does not talk about motorbikes which have never been imported to France and I am therefore in a black hole (so common in France).
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I fail to see what's sad about the days of being an irresponsible twat being over. Go to the track, or pick an open, straight and unoccupied stretch of German autobahn if that's how you get your kicks.


You are also sad!


Why do you describe people who drive fast as "an irresponsible twat"?


Do you have any independent scientific evidence to support this or simply a personal opinion?


Where can you find a more unoccupied stretch of road than a French autoroute?
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Re: Keeping motorbikes in Switzerland despite having left

Hey guys, thanks for helping me out ;o)

Personally I am much more into going fast on very twisty roads where speed is limited at 90km/h and you are quite good (and mad) if you go that fast in hairpin and you can hurt (and kill) only yourself if things go bad...
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I fail to see what's sad about the days of being an irresponsible twat being over. Go to the track, or pick an open, straight and unoccupied stretch of German autobahn if that's how you get your kicks.
First time I was here, speed limit on highways was 130, back roads 100.

A few years before that, unlimited on both.

Cars have gotten better and safer, but speedlimits have gotten lower, please explain the logic in that.

It's all about the money.

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First time I was here, speed limit on highways was 130, back roads 100.

A few years before that, unilited on both.

Cars have gotten better an safer, but speedlimits have gotten lower, please explain the logic in that.

It's all about the money.

Tom


The original excuse was to save money due to the high price of oil due in turn to Arab countries nationalising their assets.


When the oil price came down the speed limits did not!
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