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Old 18.10.2017, 17:58
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Re: URGENT Car Crash Help

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I'm not, why would there always be the need of a police rapport when there's only material damage?
Because there is damage to public property as well. Insurance would have to pay for this, and they might have a fine print clause saying that fleeing from the scene is a big no no.
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Because there is damage to public property as well. Insurance would have to pay for this, and they might have a fine print clause saying that fleeing from the scene is a big no no.
Damage to public property on its own gives in a lot of country's no need for police attendance when it comes to insurances. Accident got called in (regardless of who did such), OP admits her responsibility, driving without papers is no reason to not pay, no dangerous situation was left behind, it's not a hit and run.

I see absolutely no reason why the insurance would not pay.

To add my own: I once had a single sided accident in Sweden, 8K damage, called the local VW garage, they picked up the car brought it to their shop and fixed it, I had to stay a few days longer but no costs for that since I stayed with family. Next day emailed the insurance with a set of pictures and what i've done with the car. I went by cityhall to report the damage and they were all fine with it and would fix it and send the bill, They said o.k. I gave them later the bill of the garage, and the bill of the repair for the property I damaged, they just paid up never to be heard of again.

Sometimes things are just that simple.
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Really, I disagree with you. We're talking about a minor accident here and you all excuse the driver as if he had been in a multiple pile up plus in the middle of it, totally caught by surprise.
He hit a fence. There was definitely no ice on the street so what was it? He just walked away. If an adult is not capable to a) simply note he caused an accident (shit happens), b) know as a driver what a driver is expected to do in such a case (part of the driver's education, no? In any country it is basically the same too) then it might be better he wouldn't drive at all.

I'm beginning to wonder if the driver had been drinking too.

However, police in Switzerland is not "out to get you". He might get away lightly. And if he does, that's fine with me but if he doesn't learn from it once and for all I really don't want to come accross him on the street in the middle of the night. Because this was crap behaviour.
I really do wonder how the police reaction would have been if it had been a Swiss resident. Doubt that it's worth the time or money to go further.

If the OP hadn't have fled the scene, I would have had more empathy if they'd been carrying the usual documentation.

Come-on EFers: Who of you doesn't carry any ID in your car when travelling alone - regardless of origin - especially when driving abroad - admit it.

Even truck terrorists do that.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:12
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Re: URGENT Car Crash Help

Regrettably I have personal experience which should perhaps give OP a hint as to the magnitude of the monetary bollocking they are about to receive. Some time ago I was picking up my parents from the airport. It was saturday evening, I was a bit tired, they were bloody tired, when they hopped in the car and I was about to drive off, I realized that a car in front boxed me in and I have to reverse a bit. The car's rear proximity sensors and camera didn't have time to turn on before I was reversing and I managed to break one of the street posts that the airport staff were kind enough to install there. My first thought was: "bugger!". I hopped out, observed the damage, saw that there is not even a scratch on the car. It was 8pm saturday, so I reasoned that there's not going to be anyone to talk to at the airport at this time, I'll come back on Monday and admit to the deed.

Come monday morning, a kind policeman called me and said that I was reported for damaging some property on the airport and that I neglected to report the accident. At this point, I immediately knew that I was up shit creek.

The policeman was very kind, I told him everything he wanted to know. He dropped me an email confirming the details of the event and wished me well despite the circumstances. He added a joke that he hopes that he doesn't have to see me again

Some time later I received a letter from the judge. The fine was 750 CHF, with administrative costs of 550, all in all, 1300 chf. I didn't lose my license, which was the bit I was most worried about. My biggest sin was basically not reporting it immediately to the airport personnel. It could've been just paying for that bloody post, no involvement from the police and judges. Lesson to future sinners: if you can, try to sort out damage to property with just the owner. The moment you involve the police, you are in for a bad time. Conversely, if your property was damaged, consider involving the police if the perp is being an asshat. They'll get bent over the barrel and no lube will be used at all!
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:12
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Damage to public property on its own gives in a lot of country's no need for police attendance when it comes to insurances. Accident got called in (regardless of who did such), OP admits her responsibility, driving without papers is no reason to not pay, no dangerous situation was left behind, it's not a hit and run.

I see absolutely no reason why the insurance would not pay.
It isn't just about insurance.

If the OP makes a habit of trashing fences with his car then you'd think that the plod would like to be aware of it.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:21
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Why this happened is still not answered, and I'm completely surprised that the insurance will pay, as there was no police report made at the scene.
I'm not. Hubby demolished a wall belonging to the commune last December. The only damage was to his car and the wall.
I called the insurance, got a claim number, passed the details on to the commune and the insurance settled everything with them.
No police involvement at all.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:27
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It isn't just about insurance.

If the OP makes a habit of trashing fences with his car then you'd think that the plod would like to be aware of it.
The liability for the damage is actually all about the insurance.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:29
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The officer replied saying is had been sequestered for DNA analysis.
Just one more question OP - thanks! Did you ask why a simple bump into a fence had resulted in an expensive DNA analysis, or do they do this for everything now-a-days?
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:42
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Just one more question OP - thanks! Did you ask why a simple bump into a fence had resulted in an expensive DNA analysis, or do they do this for everything now-a-days?
Presumably because it looked an awful lot like someone had crashed the car and run from the scene.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:44
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The liability for the damage is actually all about the insurance.
So you've no concerns about some driver who routinely contacts other objects with his/her car, as long as the insurance covers the costs?
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Presumably because it looked an awful lot like someone had crashed the car and run from the scene.
No, it was a bump.
Good to know where our taxes are going.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:51
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No, it was a bump.
Good to know where our taxes are going.
Come on, the police have exorbitant speeding and red light fines to fund their Xmas party - the forensics guys need a bit of wedge too, fair's fair.
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Old 18.10.2017, 18:59
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Come on, the police have exorbitant speeding and red light fines to fund their Xmas party - the forensics guys need a bit of wedge too, fair's fair.
Try telling that to anyone's close relative who was crushed by a vehicle in a terrorist attack. Or one was killed by a drunk / drugged driver
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Old 18.10.2017, 19:04
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Re: URGENT Car Crash Help

My turn for a story!

I was running late for a meeting so parallel parked my car between two others on a blue zone area in Neuchatel on quite a steep hill.

Left the hour long meeting and had several missed calls on my mobile phone. They never left any messages so I just ignored them and went to move my car since I was past the 1 hour time limit.

Got to the car and there was the business card of a police person on my wiper and someone had put a couple of bricks behind my tyres. Very strange.

I call the number on the card. She takes some of my details such as home address, place of work, occupation and says that I will receive a fine in the post. Apparently the handbrake on my car wasn't on properly and it had rolled into the car behind me.

This was clearly utterly daft. I think I would have noticed if the car was rolling when I stopped and got out the car. I spent the next 15 mins arguing that you can't possibly fine me without proving the car was rolling. She says 'What reason would I have for lying' ermmm to get 300CHF for free darling?

In the end due my total stubbornness she said to come to the police station the next day fill out a form that I and the owner of the car behind me will sign and pay 50 CHF and the matter will be considered dealt with.

Now my handbrake was up. But I'm not saying if the car rolled back when I removed the bricks from behind the car after the phone call or not.

All I'm saying is I booked it into Ford the next day for a warranty repair. Ford....Fix Or Repair Daily.
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So you've no concerns about some driver who routinely contacts other objects with his/her car, as long as the insurance covers the costs?
My concerns are not relevant for the insurance. Nor do I believe there's need for police if involved party's have no dispute about the handling of the damage.
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Old 18.10.2017, 20:04
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I really do wonder how the police reaction would have been if it had been a Swiss resident.
Oh, I would have been in deep shit! They would have been at my doorstep before I'd arrive with all the tests all the way down to pregnancy

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My turn for a story!
I love those moments! When you argued so darn well that the police agreed with you in the end and dropped all charges and you find out they were right after all!! Had that too. Double vitory
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Old 18.10.2017, 21:12
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Now my handbrake was up. But I'm not saying if the car rolled back when I removed the bricks from behind the car after the phone call or not.
Brake discs are metal (on most cars). They get warm in use and expand.

When you stop and apply the handbrake, they cool down over time and contract. This can cause slippage and if the car is on a hill it will roll down.
The handbrake will still be 'on.'

The solution is to put the car in gear too and turn the wheels so if it does roll, it will just roll into the kerb.
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Better not. From the article: "and ordered to pay legal costs of more than 18,000 francs by a court in the canton of Fribourg."

or as glinaa says:
I assumed that since this was not a court case, there wouldn't be those sorts of fees. If this OP had deliberately driven his/her car along the footpath, yelled at a pedestrian to move out and then mowed them down, I expect 20K would seem a cheap price to pay. It sounds like a gaol offence to me. But this person has instead merely damaged a bit of property.
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Old 18.10.2017, 22:32
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In short, OP is a foreign wanker.

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Old 18.10.2017, 22:53
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In short, OP is a foreign wanker.

Tom
Now come on, Tom, be nice.

Nope, he's probably just about 20 years younger than us and never learnt that life is something one has to take control of oneself.
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