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think it is appropriate to be angry, and to state that. And to require that the young man takes responsibility for his actions. However, I agree with 3Wishes. I don't believe that perpetrating violence is likely to be a helpful strategy to move the young man to the next phase of responsible adulthood.
Absolutely right.

Clearly, it needed to be done many years ago. Now it’s a bit late for that approach.
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We came back from relaxing holidays in Spain just to face the horror.

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You try to teach them something useful in life and thatís how you get rewarded. Stupidity has no boundaries.
bloody hell, full marks for not being on remand for murder right now.
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jacek I just saw this story, and I thought of you. As mad as you and his mother might be, as frustrated as you are at the damage and embarrassment, at least you are not in the dreadful position the parents of this driver are. The driver was the same age as your son.

As much as we like to say that a 20-year old is an adult, studies have shown that the brain is still developing for a few more years - particularly the parts where decision-making with respect to risk gets refined. I'm not saying he should get off without any penalties, but let's hope this is a learning experience that will put him on the right track from here forward.

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No social benefits GENERALLY under 25 years is Swiss-wide law, but Kantons can be more or less strict in enforcement. Its just a suggestion, more or less
Interesting how you insist on this. I attended to plenty under 25 year old.
As I said before, most cantons work with SKOS. There is even a name for the 18-25 year old: "Junge Erwachsene" and they are treated differently from over 25 year old. (Less money, more support). In cases where it is possible to recourse, the "Sozialamt" will sort it with the parents.
However, this is not the subject here really. Spreading wrong info however is not too helpful.

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Also to add. My personal opinion is that in such situations, it should be perfectly legal to beat the shit out of your kids in these situations. No need to break bones, but yeah, it should take a few weeks for the swelling and bruising to disappear.
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not sure if that is a good idea considering the guy is 20 years old.
because the guy is 20 he would have to report to the police (an under 18 does not, it will be prosecuted by the state)
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Old 22.10.2017, 00:42
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Also to add. My personal opinion is that in such situations, it should be perfectly legal to beat the shit out of your kids in these situations. No need to break bones, but yeah, it should take a few weeks for the swelling and bruising to disappear.
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Nor would it be a good idea if he were 2. Or 12.

I think it is appropriate to be angry, and to state that. And to require that the young man takes responsibility for his actions. However, I agree with 3Wishes. I don't believe that perpetrating violence is likely to be a helpful strategy to move the young man to the next phase of responsible adulthood.
Even though I was very tempted to bit a living shit out of the lad, my inner soul adviced me not do do so. I’m actually calm in such situations and in control of my emotions. I also don’t wanna perpetrate violence and hatred. All it boils down to giving a life lesson in an intelligent and clever way, so that the youth will have to take it very seriously showing some sort of emotions. I’m pro army training to teach the lad discipline and not to take things for granted in life.

I don’t wanna have the guy living off social benefits either and servitude. He has to learn hard way, that means he has to work hard for his money and experience hardship in life to be able to understand the value of work and respect for public and private property.

The education will start from Monday onwards and he will be watched very closely every move he makes until full maturity will have been reached. We are sick and tired of his attitude to life. As parents, so determined we are, we take no shit anymore in this respect! Enough is enough.
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Old 22.10.2017, 01:25
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And thank you for your precious advices. You always rock. We love reading your stories and anecdotes. Few years onwards when things fall into place (hopefully), we will rejoice and have stories to share at the table like most parents do. Right now it’s just a test for everyone in the family. We must stand strong and don’t give up on our beloved ones. Goodnite!
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Old 22.10.2017, 08:43
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OMG, jacek, didn't see your thread, mate! Hang in there, family is family. I can only imagine how it is like when it happens to you, but I'm pretty sure you'll find strength and wisdom to move on.
If I was you I'd have a long talk with him, and try to understand how he got there and what's to be done next. He should know that he's young enough to be cut some slack, but he better starts being a real adult. Now.
Hang in there, man. This is the moment when he really needs you, both of you actually. You would have thought your job is done...well, not yet.
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Towing a car to an Eastern European country would be probably about 300-500chf one way, and a body repair 3-4 times cheaper then in Western Europe. Pity my only contacts are in Eastern Poland, but maybe someone could recommend something closer.
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Jacek, I don't fully agree with you.
Your boy needs you desperately.
1) He could still get arrested for what happened was illegal
2) I hope he's Swiss because having a record with the police for that kind of destructive behaviour could comprise the renewal of his residency permit if he's a foreigner
3) A youngester on drugs has far more urgent issues to deal with, such as surviving and staying alive.
From my maternal point of view, the young man needs immediate attention. He needs to be kept very close to his parents, monitored carefully, put in a drug rehabilitation program, sent to a psychiatrist.
Hitting him and sending him away and handing him the overwhelming invoice of his actions with a "deal with it", is a recipe for a feeling of worthlessness, depression and failure.
No matter how angry you are, no matter if the car and house are a mess, you've got bigger things.. a young man to put back on track.
Address the source.. why doesn't he have a profession, when did his life and actions start to go wrong, what can be done.
And angry as you may be, his debts are yours, because if he cannot pay, creditors will turn to you and your wife before opting for the final possibility of having social services advance the funds and pay for him.
So.. tis best to have a clear view on the amount of damage and costs.
What he did is terrible.
Hitting him with a tennis racket is too.
Also, you told him "no parties" so you doubted the potential situation before hand. Thus something should have been done before it got out of hand.
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Even though I was very tempted to bit a living shit out of the lad, my inner soul adviced me not do do so. Iím actually calm in such situations and in control of my emotions. I also donít wanna perpetrate violence and hatred. All it boils down to giving a life lesson in an intelligent and clever way, so that the youth will have to take it very seriously showing some sort of emotions. Iím pro army training to teach the lad discipline and not to take things for granted in life.
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The education will start from Monday onwards and he will be watched very closely every move he makes until full maturity will have been reached. We are sick and tired of his attitude to life. As parents, so determined we are, we take no shit anymore in this respect! Enough is enough.
Tough love.

Be sure that he's aware that you're taking this line out of concern for him.

Love also includes "I'm pissed at you, but I don't hate you." Kids (and partners) sometimes can't hear the second part of that sentence.
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Love also includes "I'm pissed at you, but I don't hate you." Kids (and partners) sometimes can't hear the second part of that sentence.
Yes.
Messages that can also help might be:
  • Your mother and I have taken a serious decision to stand by you. We want to see you happy.
  • It is YOUR life. Regardless of what we (or anyone else) can or can't give you, it is still up to YOU what you make of that.
  • This situation is a big mess-up, and lots of trouble. BUT you are not only this event. You have education, talents, skills and interpersonal abilities and need to mobilise and improve them, to build your life.
  • I want to understand what you are thinking and feeling.
  • Therefore, I am willing to listen and you can tell me anything, and I will still not hate you (though I might be angry, I do admit that).
  • I get it that sometimes young people can't or don't want to talk openly with their parents. If you feel that that's the case, I am willing to help you get the opportunity to talk to someone else besides me.
  • Though I am fed-up with what's happened up till now, I actually feel sorry for you, at some level.
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Old 22.10.2017, 13:35
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Jacek, I don't fully agree with you.
Your boy needs you desperately.
1) He could still get arrested for what happened was illegal
2) I hope he's Swiss because having a record with the police for that kind of destructive behaviour could comprise the renewal of his residency permit if he's a foreigner
3) A youngester on drugs has far more urgent issues to deal with, such as surviving and staying alive.
From my maternal point of view, the young man needs immediate attention. He needs to be kept very close to his parents, monitored carefully, put in a drug rehabilitation program, sent to a psychiatrist.
Hitting him and sending him away and handing him the overwhelming invoice of his actions with a "deal with it", is a recipe for a feeling of worthlessness, depression and failure.
No matter how angry you are, no matter if the car and house are a mess, you've got bigger things.. a young man to put back on track.
Address the source.. why doesn't he have a profession, when did his life and actions start to go wrong, what can be done.
And angry as you may be, his debts are yours, because if he cannot pay, creditors will turn to you and your wife before opting for the final possibility of having social services advance the funds and pay for him.
So.. tis best to have a clear view on the amount of damage and costs.
What he did is terrible.
Hitting him with a tennis racket is too.
Also, you told him "no parties" so you doubted the potential situation before hand. Thus something should have been done before it got out of hand.
Although I might agree with some points here, the tone of your post Sky is kinda “you are dealing with a drug addict so he needs desperate supervision 24/7”. It’s not just black or white. As I have already mentioned it in the other post - there was no large scale problems within last 2 years other than the last mess he caused. He used to go to school but now he looking for a job, apprenticeship before he can decide to study further. He plays rugby, goes to church with us (when we go) and normal stuff which occasionally the youth does in this age. He has his friends and life. He is not a black ship that’s needs to be kept in an enhancement. At least he did NOT give us any serious reasons until now.

I really appreciate answers aiming in direction of counseling and finding a job to keep him busy and get life lessons.
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@Jacek
You've received opinions and advice from a wide range of perspectives. The very fact that you - despite being overwhelmed and angry and disappointed and frustrated - have managed to remain consistently polite on this thread, accepting that even people who see things differently from you might well be writing intending to offer you support, gives me a great deal of confidence that you will manage to overcome and to be a rock for your step-son.

You seem to know clearly that he's got his issues (whatever they are) and you have your own, completely different ones.

Being able to distinguish between his needs and yours bodes very well for your being competent to turn this situation so that it, and the young man's life, improves.
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There is a list of the neighbours to whom he must apologize. Landlord was rather cool seeing us look very perplexed and all he wanted was having him to apologize to the neighbours. Police wouldnít even talk to us but him. All bills are coming to him. I donít care how he is gonna deal with it but all I know he has to find a job, if either pay pro rata or make special arrangement - so be it, but he must sort out that shit he left behind. No compromise.
We all do very stupid things sometimes;


what I consider however very strange is that he and his friends didn't even try to clean up the things they could have put in order after their last Friday night party, once the party was over. Which makes me think that he really might have serious problems that don't disappear just like that.


Or did you come home earlier than initially planned?
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Jacek,

Once you sort out your son, what are you going to do about your wife, if he doesn't file for gbh against her beforehand (am assuming that the attack with the tennis racket was only added to lighten things-up a bit e.g.

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I think it must be very hurtful to you as a (step) father that it's come so far. Kids can really surprise when you least expect it.

Remember that you will act as a role-model to him in the way that you deal with things going forward.

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We all do very stupid things sometimes;


what I consider however very strange is that he and his friends didn't even try to clean up the things they could have put in order after their last Friday night party, once the party was over. Which makes me think that he really might have serious problems that don't disappear just like that.


Or did you come home earlier than initially planned?
Good question. You might like post 47, when Swisspea asked much the same, and Jacek's answer in post 49.
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Old 22.10.2017, 16:49
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Anyway, behavioral and upbringing topic aside... Herewith is the extent of damage I need to deal with. Car is in perfect driving condition mechanically (checked by BMW garage). Any ideas in terms of:

• Repair and keep the car
• Scrap it and get a new one
• Sell it for nominal value it’s worth now
• Any other idea please as I’m lost here

At least now it belongs to Insurance section of the EF

This should keep family emotions aside for a moment and focus more onto practical aspects.
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Hmmmm try getting the front and rear bumper from ebay, there are a LOT of them... as for the doors, that i guess you can also try to get them on ebay but will be expensive anyways, since door have electronics and some even airbags

Try, giving a look doesnt hurt... try the one from ebay.de and ebay.co.uk
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Car is in perfect driving condition mechanically (checked by BMW garage).
Is that including the subframe and since the crash? Just asking because the rear end reminds me of the damage to my BWM 318i, which had to be scrapped as an insurance 'uneconomical repair' because the floor had split along the full length. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it up on the ramp myself. Mind you, that was caused by being hit from behind at 40mph whilst my car was stationary with the hand brake on.
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How important is the look of a car to you?
Scrap yard?
Have your son varnish the parts which don't have the right colour.
That should keep him busy for a while (I did two doors once and I would never do it again )

Actually I think that would be a fair deal between you and your son. You might even help him a bit = bonding.
Sorry, you were taking the attention off the "feeling-bit".
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