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I need a paper from AHV

Hi all,

I need a paper that proves I've started to work in a certain time. I need it for my embassy for military thing.

Well on this paper, it must be written "this person has started to work on DD.MM.YYYY" and still working on this day DD.MM.YYYY"

So that should be kind of a small report that shows when i started to work and working currently (i still has insurance).

I will get a paper from my work but I also need a paper from AHV.I am not sure but i think the name is AHV Auszug.

Is there anyone who got this paper?

I live and work in Bern

https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Leaflets-fo...nt/Switzerland

and here there are 4 options for Bern. I do not know which is for me. I hope someone has an idea?
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

Your employer should have paid your compulsory AHV (social security for old-age and disability) contributions to the AHV office.

There are different AHV funds for different kinds of employers. Your employer should be able to give you the contact details of the particular AHV fund into which the contributions were paid.

If your employer cannot or will not do that, don't worry. You could probably contact any AHV office in your area, and give them your AHV-Number (it is 13 digits long) and ask them. One of the wonderful things in Switzerland is that if one addresses a question to the wrong government office, the people there will often help one find out the right place to go, and give you that information.
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

thank you for your answer. My boss wife said (yes she is also working there), you should apple IK form. But i cannot find where it is. And unfortunately she is in holiday today.

I will get this document some day but this document contains start and current dates? I do not need a detailed report, only start and current date will be enough for me.
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

Here is a list according to places. https://www.akbern.ch/fileadmin/user...erzeichnis.htm
You can look up the office where you live. Start there.
I think it does not matter if you contact the wrong office at first.

They cannot do anything without your AHV-number.

They will look you up and then they will
a) answer your question,
or else
b) tell you the right office to ask.

The paper they give will show all the times that AHV contributions were paid for you. I am not sure, but I think it will show something like:
  • May 2016 to December 2016 .... CHF...
  • January 2017 to October 2017... CHF...

In an ideal world, these dates will be exactly the same as the dates you worked.

If the dates you worked and the dates that AHV contributions were paid are not exactly the same, it could be because:
a) you (or your wife or husband) might have paid AHV contributions for you, even for a time when you were not working, or
b) a bad employer might not have paid in the AHV contributions at all, even when you were working, or
c) a good employer might have paid your AHV contributions in advance, but the paperwork between the employer and the AHV-office might not be up-to-date.
  1. First ask at the AHV office where you live, for the confirmation of your AHV contributions (eine Bestätigung alle meine AHV-Beiträge). Ask them how long it will take for them to send it to you. Check whether you have to pay a small fee for this paper.
  2. Then compare the paper you get to what your employer confirms.
  3. If there is any gap in the dates, ask both the employer and the AHV-office what they think the gap means, and what you must do next.
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

thank you so much your detailed answer. I have the paper that shows my salary monthly and how much I pay for tax and ahv etc. I think you are talking about it.

I see only "BVG-AN Beitrag" there but i cant see it on the list. The firma is in Ittigen. So the better to ask them. Thank you again
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

AHV is the obligatory Swiss government insurance. It covers employees for the first, basic income needs, in case of disability (becoming an invalid, unable to work to earn one's own living) and also in the case of old-age.

BVG is also compulsory, by law, but is a different insurance. It is a pension plan. The BVG also insures against disability and old-age, but it pays a second slice of income, on top of the AHV.

In Switzerland, the AHV is called "first pillar" and the BVG is called "second pillar". They use the image of "pillar" like the part of a house, to make it strong and safe. The insurance mathematics of the two pillars is different. The AHV is a much older law (1948) and the BVG (1985) takes a different approach.

The contributions to the AHV must be paid, by the employer, to the government AHV office. That is why you can ask the AHV office, directly, to tell you what was paid, and for which dates. The AHV office will look this up in their file on you.

The contributions to the BVG must be paid, by the employer, to a registered pension fund. This is often at an insurance company. If you ask your employer, he/she should be able to tell you the name of the pension fund, and give you details of what has been paid in there.

For both AHV and BVG, the employer and the employee usually share the costs of the contributions. The employer must pay at least half. It is usual that the employer pays 50% and the employee 50%. Some employers choose to pay more than 50%, so the employee pays less than 50%. Your employment contract should set out what % the employer pays, and what % the employee pays.

Your salary statement each month should show the amounts, in CHF, of these two deductions:
  • AHV-AN, which means contributions to the AHV, Arbeitnehmeranteil (Arbeitnehmer = employee, Anteil = portion)
  • BVG-AN, which means contributions to the BVG, Arbeitnehmeranteil (Arbeitnehmer = employee, Anteil = portion).
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

thank you so much for your reply. It is very clear. Yes I see that kind of payment in my salary paper. AHV,ALV,BVG,UVG,KK Tag, Quellensteuer.

So my problem is that what i should choose from this list

https://www.ahv-iv.ch/de/Merkbl%C3%A...auszug/Schweiz

2 - Ausgleichskasse des Kantons Bern
2.38 - AHV-Zweigstelle der Stadt Bern
63 - Ausgleichskasse Berner Arbeitgeber
107 - AHV-Ausgleichskasse Geschäftsinhaber Bern

I think that it must be 2 - Ausgleichskasse des Kantons Bern
But maybe 2.38 - AHV-Zweigstelle der Stadt Bern

I cannot understand what is difference between them.
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

Sorry, unbalanced, I do not know the difference, either.

But it really doesn't matter, to start out your enquiry. I think that you should choose, from the link in my post number 4, the one which is closest to where you live. Start there.

In my experience, Swiss government officials are usually very helpful, really. You sound polite and reasonable. That's what they will like. If you have accidentally contacted the wrong office, they will help you, and tell you which is the right office.
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

thank you let me try my chance
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Re: I need a paper from AHV

The instruction are available in English (https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Leaflets-fo...nt/Switzerland). You can request the information from the office which is keeping your accounts (you can look this up here https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Leaflets-fo...ing-my-account) or any other compensation office.
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The instruction are available in English (https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Leaflets-fo...nt/Switzerland). You can request the information from the office which is keeping your accounts (you can look this up here https://www.ahv-iv.ch/en/Leaflets-fo...ing-my-account) or any other compensation office.
oh thank you, I found now what my ahv is.

Ihre Ausgleichskassen in aufsteigender Nummerierung

Ausgleichskasse des Kantons Bern
Chutzenstrasse 10
3007 Bern
031 379 79 79
info@akbern.ch


thank you so much next week i am going to contact them.
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