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Old 31.01.2018, 22:23
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

First and foremost: ignore everything ohmy writes, in this or the other thread, cause he has no clue, is paranoid and embittered about Switzerland (yet doesn't leave) and some of his statements are neither here nor there, let alone are they even remotely an appropriate solution for your situation.

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Thanks everyone for your advice.


My husband is staying with his parents who is living in the same village.
My father in law wrote an email to me stating that it is against the law to lock his son out of his house. Is this true? Even if his son is abusive? He said if I refuse to open the door, they will open it themselves. Is this considered as a threat and is it legal?

Appreciate your advice.
How did you even lock him out?

No you're not allowed to to that, though typically these days, the victim gets to stay rather than removed from the shared apartment. However, this needs to be confirmed by some legal body. You cannot just do as you please. Get legal help NOW and/or report him to the police NOW.

Based on your other thread, clearly, this is not the first time he became violent or threatening or both, so while I acknowledge the emotional difficulties here, stop digging yourself into a hole by doing random things and not following through on any of them. Get help.
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Old 31.01.2018, 22:42
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

If you want to stay in the flat and want your husband to be denied access, you *must* go to the police, or a lawyer.

Please do use the domestic violence helpline. If you are safe enough to be in the house, then normally you are advised to stay there...because if you go out and you don't have a job it will be very difficult to get another place to stay, and that will increase your stress and suffering...

I would also ask whether you have free access to your papers, passport, finances etc... and make sure you secure them immediately... take digital copies and store them in a private email account etc..
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Old 31.01.2018, 23:04
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I am sorry, I am still a bit confused.
I am a British citizen. Am eligible to apply for C permit, given that I have been living in Switzerland for 5 years continuously: - first 4 years of B permit with employment contract (Postdoctoral, renewable yearly), then L permit (preparation for marriage) for about 6 months, and then B permit(Familiennachzug) for 6 months? I also have B1 Telc test. Do I need to have a job now to get a C permit?




Do you mean non-EU nationals have to stay in the same canton for 2 years before one could apply for C? Or do you mean non-EU nationals have to have 2 years of B-permit before one could apply for C?
I think this is the key sentence for you:

"However, if the doctoral student or post-doctoral fellow held a contract of employment during his or her scientific activity (earning more than 15 hours per week), the stay is counted if the scientific activity is followed by employment in the private economy or public administration."

Although you did 4 years with the post doc you were not employed here after that so those 4 years don't count.

Non-EU nationals who've studied and graduated from a Swiss university have to be employed for at least 2 years on a B permit before they can apply for a C I believe.
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

Now, I am still having a 'credit card' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every year as I am registered as Thai in Switzerland and I have not added my nationality as British. Once I add/change my nationality to British in the immigration, will I get a 'paper' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every 5 years?

And will the 5 year B permit starts from the date of nationality change or date of marriage?

If something goes wrong with my marriage within the 5 years, can I stay here until the permit ends?

I am trying to find ways to get permit independency from my husband as I have to renew my current B yearly.
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Old 31.01.2018, 23:25
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

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Please do use the domestic violence helpline.
Ernieceline, please follow this advice, please call them again, let the folks at the hotline advise you on how to proceed.

Abuse like this messes up one's mind. Abusers 'train' their victims to doubt themselves, their capabilities, it can become impossible to focus or think clearly. All the moreso when you are isolated, on the abuser's turf, without the support network you would have back home.

That is why you need to talk to the helpline, they understand what you are going through. They can guide you as to what you must do, what you must not do, what you should do, what your should not do. They can help you clarify what your goals for resolution might be, help you work out a considered plan to help get you there.

Don't try do this alone. There are resources out there to help. If you for any reason you do not feel comfortable with one support group, there are others. Can you travel? If so, please let us know and we can give you contact details for other groups.
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Old 31.01.2018, 23:26
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

Look, I get it this situation is complex but you are focusing on all the wrong things.

You need to properly address the domestic violence situation first before you worry about the permit. How is this a priority? Yes I get it you are terrified of being sent back, but as I said already, if you find a job, you can simply come back on your British passport - and you need a job anyway in the case of divorce, how else would you sustain yourself (even if he had to pay some alimony it's unlikely to be enough)?

So get this domestic violence thing in order, go to the police, get a lawyer, go to a Frauenhaus, call a helpline - just do something about this and everything else will follow much, much later.
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Old 31.01.2018, 23:30
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Now, I am still having a 'credit card' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every year as I am registered as Thai in Switzerland and I have not added my nationality as British. Once I add/change my nationality to British in the immigration, will I get a 'paper' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every 5 years?

And will the 5 year B permit starts from the date of nationality change or date of marriage?

If something goes wrong with my marriage within the 5 years, can I stay here until the permit ends?

I am trying to find ways to get permit independency from my husband as I have to renew my current B yearly.
The only way you will get an independent permit is to get a job here. You will not have the finances to support yourself independently any other way from the sounds of it, at least not until any divorce is finalised and possible (not guaranteed) maintenance is paid.

Whether your family reunification permit is renewable annually or every 5 years, as soon as the marriage ends so does the permit - because it's based solely on you being married. Unless you have a job that pays you enough money to live on or you are sufficiently wealthy enough not to have to work you won't have a permit any longer.
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Old 31.01.2018, 23:41
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

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Now, I am still having a 'credit card' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every year as I am registered as Thai in Switzerland and I have not added my nationality as British. Once I add/change my nationality to British in the immigration, will I get a 'paper' like B permit Familiennachzug, renewable every 5 years?
You're married to a Swiss citizen, so no - you do not get a 5-year permit under family reunification, even if you're British. The permit has to be renewed annually until you're eligible for a C permit. Then that is valid for 5 years.

In my experience (married to a Swiss) both spouses had to sign the renewal forms each year.

It's a bit frustrating because if you were married to an EU citizen -such as another Brit - you'd get a 5-year family reunification B permit (the same as your spouse).
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Old 01.02.2018, 00:12
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

ohmy, aside your paranoid "in Switzerland everyone is out to get you and he will be protected by his local village entourage" statements, you are entirely disqualifying yourself with statements like these:

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All is not lost permit wise if you can find someone else, a lot of girls in your situation do that, they find a solution to stay in Switzerland.
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A conviction for him is something that carries a lot of consequences (e.g. career etc.)
Plus of course the one from your other thread, that "some women don't get assaulted because of the way they are", clearly implying it's really some women's own fault. Lovely.
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Can you travel? If so, please let us know and we can give you contact details for other groups.

Yes, I can travel and I am willing to do that. Any other group contacts are highly appreciated. It would also be good to have some advice from lawyers. Is there any free legal advice support group?
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Old 01.02.2018, 00:58
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Yes, I can travel and I am willing to do that. Any other group contacts are highly appreciated. It would also be good to have some advice from lawyers. Is there any free legal advice support group?
Red Cross, most local communes offer free legal advice on certain days during the week where you can just show up, www.infra-basel.ch (I guess it's not just for Basel) and many more.
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

Here is a list of victim's advice centers, by canton:

http://www.sodk.ch/fileadmin/user_up...ngsstellen.pdf


Some direct links in Zurich:
http://www.obzh.ch/opfer/hausliche-gewalt/
http://www.bif-frauenberatung.ch/spr...lish-englisch/

Women's shelter in Winterthur
http://www.frauennottelefon.ch/languages/english

From Migraweb, a resource for immigrants:
http://www.migraweb.ch/de/themen/fra...sliche-gewalt/

More links:
http://www.equality.ch/cgi-bin/inter...01&Skat=S24120

Each of these link further helpful resources

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By the way, you were asking upthread about anti-violence/anger management counseling for your husband; here is a link to some resources for that:

https://www.ebg.admin.ch/ebg/de/home...usuebende.html

And from that link:
http://www.fvgs.ch/beratungsstellen.html

Please call one, or all of these resources.
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

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I am trying to find ways to get permit independency from my husband as I have to renew my current B yearly.
Find a job and use your British pass...if not you'll have to stay where you are - praying he won't be aggressive again.

May I ask you why is such a big problem if you go back to your country?
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Old 01.02.2018, 08:09
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A lot of people here are upset when I come out and explain how things work in Switzerland, they are Swiss and they absolutely hate being criticized and hate tell- like- it- is exposÚs of their country.
Which just goes to show you know as much about this forum and the people who contribute to it as you know about Switzerland.
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Your actions and reasoning are very small minded, go ahead, try to pick a fight with me
Ohmy, I actually feel sorry if your experiences in CH were not very positive. I can believe that. But I think what gets on people's nerves here are your generalisations. You're very quick to offer a very bleak picture of this country whenever you have the opportunity, you don't miss a moment. Try to be more gentle, even if you have your resentments. Maybe other people don't feel the same way, why do you want to spoil it for them?
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I get what you mean and sure I put people off. I think I have said not all the things I talk about will happen to a random person, some of these things may be rare occurences but I have no way to know that, I just know things have happened. You see, you do not know what I know. Keep that in mind. I have seen a lot of sh*t. And I have neither the time nor the inclination to be "gentle", in CH I have met people hell-bent on doing harm and they weren't the kind of people portrayed in movies, they wore nice suits and ties, were highly respected in the local community, they looked like OK folks, they commit their deeds with the judicial system, they do whatever they want .
Yes, and bad things can happen everywhere. I think you've already made your point, ohmy.
Advising people not to use the judicial system, not to report some things like domestic violence is a bad advice.
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Re: Domestic Violence, which insurance to claim?

Can a person's negative thoughts be labeled domestic violence in that you're doing harm to your ownself? Or is it a symptom of a depression that one is unable to deal with it? I wonder.

Anyway, this thread is about domestic violence in a relationship and not about negativity towards Switzerland. There's been a great deal of valuable advice provided.

Good luck to the OP. May she find the courage to make the decisions that allow her to have a happy future.

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Your actions and reasoning are very small minded, go ahead, try to pick a fight with me
Go pick your nose.

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I'm British and I still think you talk cack.
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Your actions and reasoning are very small minded, go ahead, try to pick a fight with me
Is anyone running a book on this? I'll have CHF50 on Samaire ta.
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Is anyone running a book on this? I'll have CHF50 on Samaire ta.
Well in that case I should maybe react to it after all After I've done such a good job at ignoring it
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