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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

Hmmm - doesn't say anything about unsealed wood floors

Why would anyone not seal their bloody wood floors? Going to mietverband as soon as I have a day off.
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does amaze me though, that a landlord can get an entire floor replaced due to some scratches and dents on it. Renting a house out here is just a way of renovating it to premium quality without actually having to stump up much.
i'd imagine it is not typical to do such damage that a complete replacement is required. re-sanding should be quicker and cheaper.
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

Whatever you do don't sign anything agreeing to this being your fault.

There is also reasonable damage due to living there and it is pretty wide.

Why is your household insurance not helping and why would they charge you money?

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does amaze me though, that a landlord can get an entire floor replaced due to some scratches and dents on it. Renting a house out here is just a way of renovating it to premium quality without actually having to stump up much.
You are looking at it in the wrong way imho.

Imagine renting a house and let's say there is a new floor which is expected to last 40 years. So the height of your rent is based on the 40 years. Normal wear and tear is damage not to be paid by the renter, excessive damage however is damage that could be avoided and/or can be blamed on the renter like dropping things that causes needless dents or moving heavy furniture and causing deep scratches. If the renter caused such damage that the floor after 20 years has to be replaced why should the owner have to pay for damage caused by somebody else? Floor lasted only half the time due to the renter, so the bill gets split. And if the floor gets replaced by premium quality while it was soft cheap rubbish to start with than a renter does not have to pay for that, he is only liable for an equal replacement.

That renters try to escape their responsibilities and that landlords disabuse it, does not make the system in itself wrong, in fact I absolutely love such system.

Surely we can make the landlord bear a much higher financial burden, they don't mind they'll just answer with asking us a much higher rent.
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does amaze me though, that a landlord can get an entire floor replaced due to some scratches and dents on it. Renting a house out here is just a way of renovating it to premium quality without actually having to stump up much.

Depends on the damage, there is damage and their is damage


Usual wear and tear cannot be charged, but ...often it is more than a "few scratches" which can be sanded out.


House comes in premium quality, needs to be returned, "minus normal wear and tear" in same condition.


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Chf 200.-- really isn't !!


Merbau for instance is around Chf 180.--/m2 for GOOD parquet with at least enough wood for 2 sandings, plus Chf 20.-- for a good quality underlay.....


Then you have to lay it....
From what I read in Google that was the price for everything. And that was for good quality .

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From what I read in Google that was the price for everything
It all depends on the floor, Oak wildboard can easily go towards 400,- and then add removing the old floor, preparing the old floor, isolation and labourtime making 500,- per square meter.

200,- all in is also possible but all but a max.
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

I can maybe answer a part of this. We had a tenant who ruined a perfectly good, 12 year old floor. Indentations caused by high heels, cigarette burns, scratches made by a dog and so on.

Cost to replace was CHF22,000 including labour.
We insist our tenants have insurance to cover damage and we received CHF 16,000 from his insurer plus his deposit of CHF 3,000 which was used to paint walls due to smoke and a few other things.

His insurer insisted he pay a part as he was negligent and our apartments all come with a no smoking rule, with any damage down to them. The insurer then made him pay CHF 4,000 plus his own risk.

It was all settled amicably and speedily with the help of our insurers. So my advice is give it to your insurers to work with the landlord's insurers (as you've done) and they will sort it out, but you will be liable yourself for a part of it.
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

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Now, I spoke with an adviser, he told me that if the owner can`t confirm (with documents or invoices) when this floor was installed, so they will consider that the floor goes back to the time when the house was built, accordingly if the house is more than 30 years old (which is my case), and as per the regulations here in Switzerland, it is now 100% the Owner`s issue.
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Now, I spoke with an adviser, he told me that if the owner can`t confirm (with documents or invoices) when this floor was installed, so they will consider that the floor goes back to the time when the house was built, accordingly if the house is more than 30 years old (which is my case), and as per the regulations here in Switzerland, it is now 100% the Owner`s issue.
Someof these Swiss landlords can be real arseholes
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I can maybe answer a part of this. We had a tenant who ruined a perfectly good, 12 year old floor. Indentations caused by high heels, cigarette burns, scratches made by a dog and so on.

Cost to replace was CHF22,000 including labour.
We insist our tenants have insurance to cover damage and we received CHF 16,000 from his insurer plus his deposit of CHF 3,000 which was used to paint walls due to smoke and a few other things.

His insurer insisted he pay a part as he was negligent and our apartments all come with a no smoking rule, with any damage down to them. The insurer then made him pay CHF 4,000 plus his own risk.

It was all settled amicably and speedily with the help of our insurers. So my advice is give it to your insurers to work with the landlord's insurers (as you've done) and they will sort it out, but you will be liable yourself for a part of it.
Thanks a lot for your reply,
I really don`t have a problem paying for any damage caused by me, but to be honest with you, i assume that the floor was too old, as per my last comment here on this post, the floor might be more than 30 years old. The company that i had recently to check the floor confirmed that this floor is at least 15-20 years old. Now, my insurance company tries to get any confirmation from the owner regarding the date when this floor was installed, but he insists on saying that he does not have any documents for this, which is something that me and the insurance find very strange. Anyways, an adviser told me that as long as he can not confirm the date when the floor was installed, then it means it goes back to the time when the house was built, and accordingly the floor will be 40 years+, so i need your opinion as an owner, am i supposed to pay for the repair of such a very old floor? this simply means me and my insurance will renovate his apartment on our expenses, for somethings that i assume it is 100% his responsibility.
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Someof these Swiss landlords can be real arseholes

No worse than anywhere else. Every landlord irrespective of origin will try and screw whatever he can, even more so if it's a gullible foreigner
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Told you

It all demands proof, no proof simply means no money.
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am i supposed to pay for the repair of such a very old floor?.

You are insured, it's their problem, not yours.
If you get a bill, send it to the insurer. Do not pay or agree to pay anything.



If the landlord replaces the floor without the insurance companies prior agreement to pay, he won't get any money off them, which doesn't mean you have to step in.
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Thanks a lot for your reply,
I really don`t have a problem paying for any damage caused by me, but to be honest with you, i assume that the floor was too old, as per my last comment here on this post, the floor might be more than 30 years old. The company that i had recently to check the floor confirmed that this floor is at least 15-20 years old. Now, my insurance company tries to get any confirmation from the owner regarding the date when this floor was installed, but he insists on saying that he does not have any documents for this, which is something that me and the insurance find very strange. Anyways, an adviser told me that as long as he can not confirm the date when the floor was installed, then it means it goes back to the time when the house was built, and accordingly the floor will be 40 years+, so i need your opinion as an owner, am i supposed to pay for the repair of such a very old floor? this simply means me and my insurance will renovate his apartment on our expenses, for somethings that i assume it is 100% his responsibility.
No, you should not pay to replace a whole floor, but then again if it was in good condition and perfectly serviceable, then you do bear some responsibility as greater care should have been taken. Wear and tear is one thing, damage is something else.
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not true at all. i've had some pretty good landlords (and pretty good tenants too).
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No, you should not pay to replace a whole floor, but then again if it was in good condition and perfectly serviceable, then you do bear some responsibility as greater care should have been taken. Wear and tear is one thing, damage is something else.
But even damage has to be done on purpose for the OP to be liable as otherwise her insurance will still pay.
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Thanks a lot for your reply,
I really don`t have a problem paying for any damage caused by me, but to be honest with you, i assume that the floor was too old, as per my last comment here on this post, the floor might be more than 30 years old. The company that i had recently to check the floor confirmed that this floor is at least 15-20 years old. Now, my insurance company tries to get any confirmation from the owner regarding the date when this floor was installed, but he insists on saying that he does not have any documents for this, which is something that me and the insurance find very strange. Anyways, an adviser told me that as long as he can not confirm the date when the floor was installed, then it means it goes back to the time when the house was built, and accordingly the floor will be 40 years+, so i need your opinion as an owner, am i supposed to pay for the repair of such a very old floor? this simply means me and my insurance will renovate his apartment on our expenses, for somethings that i assume it is 100% his responsibility.
What did the Mietverband say? You did call them... right?
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

If the damage is dents/scratches accidentally inflicted by you, your personal liability insurance will cover that. pretty much all Swiss personal liability insurers also cover deliberate damages caused by young kids in your household, as young children are considered incapable of good judgement.

You mentioned that damages were caused by heaters. If these qualify as scorching damages, they most likely won't be covered by your insurance as almost all Swiss personal liability insurances exclude scorching damages. That would arguably only occur with certain kinds of electric or kerosene heaters, fireplaces, etc. Not likely with central heating. If this were the case, it would be a matter of determining whether or not you were responsible.

If it is possible to repair the existing floor rather than replace it, the cheaper option should be used.

If you understand some German, have a look at this guide to parkette damages from Pro Mietrecht:
https://www.promietrecht.de/Renovier...zung-E2039.htm
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Hmmm - doesn't say anything about unsealed wood floors

Why would anyone not seal their bloody wood floors? Going to mietverband as soon as I have a day off.
Because unsealed wood is MUCH nicer. Have it throughout my house.

Proper Parkette is always unsealed and needs handling accordingly.
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