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Damage in the wooden floor

Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
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Old 09.01.2020, 18:16
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

Landlord has burden of proof when it comes to the age of things, if he fails or refuses to proof an age you are of the hook since the remaining period cannot be calculated.

A maximum estimate would btw also work for the landlord if he has no papers anymore, if he can proof that the manufacturer took this floor 20 yrs ago in production, than parties can just calculate with those 20 yrs.

Anyway, tell him if he does not come up with the desired proof of age he gets nothing and tell your insurance about this also.
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Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
You need to contact the Mietverband and get their advice. Do it asap https://www.mieterverband.ch/
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Get in touch with the Mieterverband.
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Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
19k for scratches or dents in wooden floors ? he's trying to take advantage of you.
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Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
Well for that price it must be for fully replacing all the wooden floors. If you have to pay any of it then get an independent quote.
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19k for scratches or dents in wooden floors ? he's trying to take advantage of you.



Depending what the damage is and the size of the floor, Chf 19k is probably what it would cost to replace as if the damage is too great you can't just fill in the deep scratches etc without changing the whole floor


Clik-Claq parquet is great to put down, but once it's down it doesn't come back up without damaging the tongue and grooves making relaying impossible
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Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
I don't understand the not helping bit. You tell your insurance what the landlord wants and that you don't agree and why. They sort it out with the landlord directly (and believe me they will get all the answers re age, maintenance during the years etc. of the floor).

I once had a damage of wooden floor and the landlord tried something funny. It was exactly 1m2 in my case (and my fault), I put a tape measure next to it, made a picture which I sent to my insurance and never heard from landlord or insurance again.

The insurance doesn't have to help you. They have to pay. And they don't want to pay a penny more than absolutely necessary. In your case they might send some expert to have a look. Tell them, they only got 3 weeks left to do so.
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Re: Damage in the wooden floor

Thanks for your reply, and as i said, the wooden floor specialist whom i`ve got confirmed to me that this floor was installed at least 15 years ago, and maybe more. He also confirmed that the owner should have any document in this regard. Will speak again with the insurance.
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You need to contact the Mietverband and get their advice. Do it asap https://www.mieterverband.ch/
will do, thanks a lot for the advice
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Hi all,
I need some advice regarding an urgent matter. I have been renting an apartment for 4 years now, I’m leaving it by the end of this month. I have damages in the wooden floor, almost every where in the apartment. Some of these damages were caused by my kids, but the main issue is that i assume the floor was too old. The owner got a quotation for the repair for more than 19.000 chf, his insurance would cover part of this amount because the damage was caused by the heaters, however me and my insurance would cover the rest. However, my insurance are not helping me and they are willing to charge me a big amount (around 6 or 7 thousand).. i got a wooden floor specialist, who told me yes the floor is too old (at least 15 years), accordingly, the owner’s liability is much higher than what he is supposed to pay.
N.b: the owner refused to day when the floor was installed, claiming that he doesn’t know, while all my friends tell me this is impossible, and he should definitely know.
Any advice in this regard is highly appreciated
How many square meter have to be replaced? Prices can be as high as 200 CHF/square meter ( top quality )
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How many square meter have to be replaced? Prices can be as high as 200 CHF/square meter ( top quality )

That's just for the wood, not the work involved in laying it


...and you can pay far more for exotic woods !
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...and you can pay far more for exotic woods !
Thats the price for everything.
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Thats the price for everything.

Chf 200.-- really isn't !!


Merbau for instance is around Chf 180.--/m2 for GOOD parquet with at least enough wood for 2 sandings, plus Chf 20.-- for a good quality underlay.....


Then you have to lay it....
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Thanks for your reply, and as i said, the wooden floor specialist whom i`ve got confirmed to me that this floor was installed at least 15 years ago, and maybe more. He also confirmed that the owner should have any document in this regard. Will speak again with the insurance.
Is there a rule of time regarding wooden floors? i.e. you have lived in a place for 15 years and therefore aren't liable for damages due to age?

Dealing with an issue myself right now...
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Is there a rule of time regarding wooden floors? i.e. you have lived in a place for 15 years and therefore aren't liable for damages due to age?

Dealing with an issue myself right now...

Check here
https://www.homegate.ch/moving/apart...ice-life-table
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Is there a rule of time regarding wooden floors? i.e. you have lived in a place for 15 years and therefore aren't liable for damages due to age?

Dealing with an issue myself right now...
There is basically such a rule for everything in the house. Paint, doorknobs, toilet etc.. etc..
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The great thing about my apartment is that pretty much everything of note (floor, bathroom, kitchen) seems to be older than 15 years old, so my costs when moving out should be pretty damn reasonable.
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Is there a rule of time regarding wooden floors? i.e. you have lived in a place for 15 years and therefore aren't liable for damages due to age?

Dealing with an issue myself right now...
if the life of the floor is, say, 40 years, then even with 15 years of use, then you're still left with >60% of costs in case of a need for a complete replacement.
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if the life of the floor is, say, 40 years, then even with 15 years of use, then you're still left with >60% of costs in case of a need for a complete replacement.
does amaze me though, that a landlord can get an entire floor replaced due to some scratches and dents on it. Renting a house out here is just a way of renovating it to premium quality without actually having to stump up much.
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