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Old 01.12.2010, 17:53
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. Regardless of what you think of this julien bloke (he's born in Townsville...nuff said ) he's an investigatory journalist. This is what they do. They get documents and submissions from the website, then validate them. Call the cops, he's a journalism genius!!!
I believe you missed the point, the call was for the leak to be found and trialled for treason. The person within the US government that handed over the files to wikileaks. That makes perfect sense to me, I would support this part... but not the call for his head...
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I believe you missed the point, the call was for the leak to be found and trialled for treason. The person within the US government that handed over the files to wikileaks. That makes perfect sense to me, I would support this part... but not the call for his head...


I wasnt referring to the post before. If so I would have quoted it
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Old 01.12.2010, 18:05
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Ok, sorry. So what is the fuss about: A investigative journalist typically wants a story. This case is not a story. It is a huge box full of thousands of potential stories... and nobody knows them yet. So it is bigger than most individual journalists could ever be. When they released the Iraq files, the video of the helicopter attack alone was a story... but the full leak was far more than that. In short: I believe that Wikileaks is by now only after the last three big cases (Iraq, Afghanistan and now this one) one of the most important source for political insight - the information has an extent that makes it hard to believe that it was planted for a reason. And even if: it is apparently in itself true and credible and gives an insight into the politics of the past decade that is unprecedented. I would love to read through similar files for WW2 or the Vietnam era... even if the top secret ones are missing: Who would not love to know what US diplomats really though about Hitler before the war... and future generations simply can do this now read a lot of stuff the governments would never be willing to release on their own.
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Old 01.12.2010, 18:08
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Seriously I am enjoying all the cables about Sarkozy and all his meetings with the US embassy in Paris. Actually I found out that the best analysis regarding "integration" in France has been done by the US embassy, even the french gov. did not have such an accurate view of the situation. I am reading also for other countries, and it's the some of anecdotes that give a nice picture.
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Old 01.12.2010, 18:10
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

But technically they're not really even writing stories no? Just releasing information that has been submitted to them. Its hardly heavy hitting stuff. More like a lot of work for not much gain.

But information is power and the more info that is in public domain the better imo. Regardless if it is interesting or not. I mean, take the internet for example
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Half the civilsied world is stuck in war of no return (implying retreat and profit, both), other half of civilised world is going to bed shyte scared that by tomorrow there currency might be worth no more the paper its printed on. Diplomatic relations are tense, political influences are shifting, capital is either stuck or moving away...
but LOOK there's wikileaks about mono/dia-logues of idiots who got us in this mess in the first place, with no more informational value that a well read person would already have!
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Old 01.12.2010, 18:35
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

P.S. It sounds like a stupid person having an affair via text with his usual mobile and not deleting* the contents in the inbox and sent items.

"Top Secrets" I doubt if they get documented anywhere. Its just "classified" information which travelled around a bit more faster in this age of advanced telecommunications.

* By deleting I mean, it does not exist anywhere, before some IT smartass picks up on it.
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Old 01.12.2010, 18:51
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Ok, sorry.itself true and credible and gives an insight into the politics of the past decade that is unprecedented. I would love to read through similar files for WW2 or the Vietnam era... even if the top secret ones are missing: Who would not love to know what US diplomats really though about Hitler before the war... and future generations simply can do this now read a lot of stuff the governments would never be willing to release on their own.
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

This is such an drama. I am surprised wikileaks has such a power to disclose government secrets.
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This is such an drama. I am surprised wikileaks has such a power to disclose government secrets.
Exactly, Now he is on the Interpol's Most Wanted list for doing that.
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The USSR had Glasnost followed by the splintering of the Eastern Bloc. This could be the USA's Glasnost - American style. Are we headed for a realignment of global politics? Dangers ahead!
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Exactly, Now he is on the Interpol's Most Wanted list for doing that.
Thats why I dont trust honest people who "speak the truth." They usually have skeletons in the closet!

He could very well be having a BBQ with Bin Laden in Tora Bora, right about now! (Yes I did check the Time zone!)
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Speaking of telling the truth, what damage has come about from this? So I see a lot of name calling of world leaders, which I actually love seeing. And it shows the US engaged in all kinds of issues all over the world, which I'm glad to see. But where are the smoking guns?
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But where are the smoking guns?
I thought Tony Blair knew about it!

Wikileaks is no more than a Diplomatic Facebook hacked into by the "commoners" minus the privacy settings.

P.S. You talk a bitt too much about US and being American. Are you a White Caucasian American?
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Speaking of telling the truth, what damage has come about from this? So I see a lot of name calling of world leaders, which I actually love seeing. And it shows the US engaged in all kinds of issues all over the world, which I'm glad to see. But where are the smoking guns?
Agreed. As an American, I am glad that this is out in the open.

It is amusing though, that Julien is now wanted on "sex crime" charges by Interpol.
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Thats why I dont trust honest people who "speak the truth." They usually have skeletons in the closet!

He could very well be having a BBQ with Bin Laden in Tora Bora, right about now! (Yes I did check the Time zone!)
The real question in my mind is this: Will the US government censor the internet in a way similar to the way the Chinese government has? Wikileaks has provided "just cause" in the name of "national security."

Funny that you should mention these two in the same sentence. Perhaps neither one even exists? It wouldn't be totally crazy to think they are both inventions (to some degree) to justify government actions. Think of all the government is capable of doing (I realize they can also be extremely inept). They can't find a computer hacker or a sick older man?

None of this information is really that surprising. Supposedly the new info coming out is a big deal. Who knows? I'm skeptical at best.

As for Skeletons in his closet.....I trust that this is just something that EVERYONE has to deal with to some degree. It wouldn't render his actions less meaningful. For a great read on redemption I suggest reading Tolstoy's "The forged Coupon." Quick but powerful read. Maybe 90 pages in total, but it took him longer to write than War and Peace.
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Aren't they the ones followed by all the tea partiers,a bunch of which seem to that think the government is behind everything bad that happens to the USA? How do you get round that sort of thinking? The government is up to no good, but shoot anyone who tells you exactly what?
Exactly. And as long as Mr. Huckabee is talking about treason, perhaps he should press for Barney Frank, Rubin, Geithner, Bernake, Paulson, et al., to be tried for treason as well. Or is it only a crime when its committed against the government? I guess the middle class doesn't count.
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The real question in my mind is this: Will the US government censor the internet in a way similar to the way the Chinese government has? Wikileaks has provided "just cause" in the name of "national security."

Funny that you should mention these two in the same sentence. Perhaps neither one even exists? It wouldn't be totally crazy to think they are both inventions (to some degree) to justify government actions. Think of all the government is capable of doing (I realize they can also be extremely inept). They can't find a computer hacker or a sick older man?

None of this information is really that surprising. Supposedly the new info coming out is a big deal. Who knows? I'm skeptical at best.

As for Skeletons in his closet.....I trust that this is just something that EVERYONE has to deal with to some degree. It wouldn't render his actions less meaningful. For a great read on redemption I suggest reading Tolstoy's "The forged Coupon." Quick but powerful read. Maybe 90 pages in total, but it took him longer to write than War and Peace.
You talk a lot of sense, I would keep a low profile if I was you unless you dont minding people calling you a loony or a conspiracy buff.

I would have only considered it a "TOP Secret leak" if it had stated a date of attack on Iran, or collaboration with Afghan Warlords and Pakistani Agenices on Heroin proceeds out fo Helmand, or a dialogue like:

- There were no WMDs in Irak and Osama in Afghaistan, nor any of the hijackers were from that region, but we wanted a war and we got it!! LOL

- You sneaky bitch, all this time I thought you wanted a regime change there. LMAO

Yes, we all do have some kind of skeletons in our closets and the ones with biggest skeletons always make good mules for such purposes.

Not forgetting that, the security personnel can strip you naked just because some half brainer duped kid was carrying explosive material in hsi underwear.
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You talk a lot of sense, I would keep a low profile if I was you unless you dont minding people calling you a loony or a conspiracy buff.

I would have only considered it a "TOP Secret leak" if it had stated a date of attack on Iran, or collaboration with Afghan Warlords and Pakistani Agenices on Heroin proceeds out fo Helmand, or a dialogue like:

- There were no WMDs in Irak and Osama in Afghaistan, nor any of the hijackers were from that region, but we wanted a war and we got it!! LOL

- You sneaky bitch, all this time I thought you wanted a regime change there. LMAO

Yes, we all do have some kind of skeletons in our closets and the ones with biggest skeletons always make good mules for such purposes.

Not forgetting that, the security personnel can strip you naked just because some half brainer duped kid was carrying explosive material in hsi underwear.
True, it sounds totally crazy. Releasing information about certain Middle Eastern leaders "talking trash" has the power to destabilize the political dialogue in that region. Perhaps thats the plan?

You make an interesting point. None of it is really damning in any meaningful way. We all know they have some shady dealings. What would be a shame is if this IS real. It would mean that (similar to Tiger Woods) politicians haven't learned anything about record keeping. Unless its meant to keep the sheep in line? As someone mentioned earlier, if many people had access to it, then it isn't really secret is it?

My guess its a play to censor internet. Its similar to the way Thomas Paine used the printing press to write Common Sense. It gives people a voice (which is what your government representative was originally for) and it also allows people to research issues.

Think of it this way. If I had the ability to read Russian, English, German, news 50+ years ago I would realize that we are all basically the same. So many of the stories/tools that get implemented to get popular support behind government actions wouldn't work. Thats what the internet does. Allows me to speak to people of different cultures, read their perspectives, etc.

Thats kind of a danger to the people in power. No?
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Thats kind of a danger to the people in power. No?
Unless they make their money from the taxes it generates.
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