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Old 07.12.2010, 16:25
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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I think Assange should just dump the whole lot on Usenet/P2P filesharing... Wikileaks is just a web based medium for technophobic hacks who can't quite get to grips with the technology
Er, right...

http://thepiratebay.org/search/wikileaks/0/99/0
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:26
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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Ha ha.

If only Wikileaks would turn its attention to FIFA . . . that would win it friends.
they would need someone to actually leak documents.. I'm sure they would put them online
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:26
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

Yup, the information is out there and shared now! With those amounts of seeders it is never going away.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:27
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A web site is just a web based medium for technophobic hacks who can't quite get to grips with the technology
Alternatively . . .
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:28
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they would need someone to actually leak documents.. I'm sure they would put them online
I suspect that most of it isn't documented . . . it's all phone calls, meetings and brown paper bags.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:35
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I suspect that most of it isn't documented . . . it's all phone calls, meetings and brown paper bags.
sure..I meant without a leak, wikileaks can't turn its attention to anyone. Even though papers call him the uber-hacker they don't break in to those systems themselves, no?
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:42
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

On Assange's arrest:

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Meanwhile governments across the world were celebrating Mr Assange's arrest and imminent escape, stressing that history proves if you focus all your efforts on stopping one man then the thing you don't like will just go away.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:43
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

Here's Dianne Feinstein writing in the WSJ:

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The law Mr Assange continues to violate is the Espionage Act of 1917. That law makes it a felony for an unauthorised person to possess or transmit "information relating to the national defence which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation".

The Espionage Act also makes it a felony to fail to return such materials to the US government. Importantly, the courts have held that "information relating to the national defence" applies to both classified and unclassified material. Each violation is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
It sounds like the US Espionage act is seriously out of date.

In the pre-digital world it may have made sense to demand the return of material. With digital files though there is no difference between moving a file and copying and deleting a file. It would make more sense if the law simply demanded that the holder of the material deleted it from their systems. And why on earth would that make any sense for unclassified material?
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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I suspect that most of it isn't documented . . . it's all phone calls, meetings and brown paper bags.
Nah... given the nature and especially the size of the corruption is the evidence for sure somehow documented - one of the last scandals involved the tickets sales, I am sure they had contracts in place and bank transactions, not only paper bags. I mean: How much cash can you physically carry out of Switzerland without raising issues at the airport customs? probably not much more than 10000 CHF. So they need another way to get the cash home. And I am sure that many local governments have their agencies collecting the evidence for the case that one of those guys ever become a political threat - the documents are for sure there, the question is only to find a leak.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:44
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sure..I meant without a leak, wikileaks can't turn its attention to anyone. Even though papers call him the uber-hacker they don't break in to those systems themselves, no?
Well no, it's Wikileaks, not Wikihacks.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:51
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It sounds like the US Espionage act is seriously out of date.

In the pre-digital world it may have made sense to demand the return of material. With digital files though there is no difference between moving a file and copying and deleting a file. It would make more sense if the law simply demanded that the holder of the material deleted it from their systems. And why on earth would that make any sense for unclassified material?
I believe that Assanage never worked within the US, so he was never doing his stuff within US jurisdiction - so screw the entire argument line. It is like the attempt to charge a Dutch coffe shop owner with US drug laws... it does not work.
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:53
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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Well no, it's Wikileaks, not Wikihacks.
ja äbä..well sorry being swiss here, the "no?" was a "oder?"
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:54
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I believe that Assanage never worked within the US, so he was never doing his stuff within US jurisdiction - so screw the entire argument line. It is like the attempt to charge a Dutch coffe shop owner with US drug laws... it does not work.
For some crimes the US claims global jurisdiction. Silly, I know, but there it is.
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For some crimes the US claims global jurisdiction. Silly, I know, but there it is.
That's completely unreasonable - even for US standards.
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ja äbä..well sorry being swiss here, the "no?" was a "oder?"
I still haven't got the hang of all that. Sorry!
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Old 07.12.2010, 16:59
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

no worries, it doesn't make much sense anyway back on topic
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Old 07.12.2010, 17:04
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

Haven't read the whole thread, but what, exactly, is "Unexpected sex"? Is it like opening a letter, and suddenly you're having sex?
Or could you just say she didn't see it coming?
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Old 07.12.2010, 17:04
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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I believe that Assanage never worked within the US, so he was never doing his stuff within US jurisdiction - so screw the entire argument line. It is like the attempt to charge a Dutch coffe shop owner with US drug laws... it does not work.
Well...maybe, maybe not, it's not cut and dry like that. What if someone from (for ex.) Taiwan hacked into your home PC, downloaded all those private pics of you, and then posted them on the internet (because the world has the right to know what you do in the privacy of your own home). Who's jurisdiction would that fall under?
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Haven't read the whole thread, but what, exactly, is "Unexpected sex"? Is it like opening a letter, and suddenly you're having sex?
Or could you just say she didn't see it coming?
Have you never been woken up by some nice attention?
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Old 07.12.2010, 17:08
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

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Have you never been woken up by some nice attention?
No, my morning tent impressions tend to go to waste...

Which is why Monkey Spanking on a plane was invented, I suppose
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