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Ousted shah of Iran's son kills himself

Former Iranian prince Alireza Pahlavi, the youngest son of the late shah of Iran, has committed suicide in his home in the United States, his brother said on his website on Tuesday.


"It is with immense grief that we would like to inform our compatriots of the passing away of Prince Alireza Pahlavi," Reza Pahlavi, the shah's oldest son, said on his website.



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Re: Ousted shah of Iran's son kills himself

That is sad...

It is never nice to hear that someone came to the only conclusion that this was the only exit possible for their pain.
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Re: Ousted shah of Iran's son kills himself

Like his sister who died in 2001, he too was battling with depression.
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Old 05.01.2011, 09:22
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Like his sister who died in 2001, he too was battling with depression.
Can't blame them. But what we can blame is that someone, somewhere doesn't do his job to take care of them. It is not like they are unknow cases with coming out as a big surprise!
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Old 05.01.2011, 10:38
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Re: Ousted shah of Iran's son kills himself

Strange cast on this dynasty. His father the Shah when overthrown by Khomeiny spent the rest of his life going from country to country without finding a home. He died like a naked king.
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Old 10.01.2011, 07:07
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Not that I care much for the obsession that some have for bloodlines and royalty, but this 'prince' was the son of a puppet dictator. He was the grandson of a unschooled military man who was put in power with the help of the British. Their aim was to use him to overthrow the Qajar dynasty and stop the country falling to the Bolsheviks. The British feared the loss of India. this man crowned himself with the name Reza khan and then Reza Shah, with his son as Crown Prince Ali Reza (He was born Reza Savad-Koohi) He called it the Pahlavi dynasty.

He used the name Pahlavi to tie himself to the ancient dynasties and changed the name of Persia to Iran.

During the war Reza Shah forced the British and the Anglo-Iranain oil company out of Iran. After the war Shah Reza was deposed in favour of his Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, they reinstalled the Anglo-Iranian oil (BP) company and thus regained control of Iran's oil.

To re-establish the invented connection to the ancient Kings the Shah held an elaborate in Persepolis- evoking the image of himself as the inheritor of Cyrus the Great



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The 2,500 year celebration of the Persian Empire (Persian جشنهای ۲۵۰۰ سالۀ شاهنشاهی ایران) consisted of an elaborate set of festivities that took place October 12–16, 1971, on the occasion of the 2,500th anniversary of the founding of the Iranian monarchy (Persian Empire) by Cyrus the Great. The intent of the celebration was to demonstrate Iran's long history and to showcase its contemporary advancements under Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,500_y...Persian_Empire


Prince Ali Reza Pahlavi





Earned a master's in ancient Iranian studies from Columbia University. He was also working on a Ph.D. from Harvard in ancient Iranian studies and philology.




http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/04/pr...bout-the-shah/

Philology is the study of ancient languages.





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Pahlavi or Pahlevi derives from ancient Imperial Aramaic the language used in Persepolis during the reign of Darius.
Perhaps this ' prince' was trying to understand his own name, title and heritage invented by his grandfather under the auspices of the British.

All smoke and mirrors for control of oil, what a mantle to bestow, a difficult heritage indeed, especially since the only people who really consider him a prince are a Persian diaspora minority living mainly in California, who cling to a bygone age.

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Can't blame them. But what we can blame is that someone, somewhere doesn't do his job to take care of them. It is not like they are unknow cases with coming out as a big surprise!
Nil - have you ever actually dealt with anyone with depression? It seems you have a very hollywood view of it !!

The chances are everyone around him has been helping for years ...
The chances are also that he has damn near ruined their lives in that period - I lived with a father with depression for 7 years . Everyone around him tried to help. He came through it ( actually he died early this year but had been symptom freed for about 20 years - but he ruined my teenage years.

You cannot blame others ...
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Some people with certain forms of depression have a high risk of suicide and try as we might, medication and therapies, help, short of locking the person up fail. And sometimes that fails too.

You can watch someone carefully, care for him, but in the end, a competent adult is responsible for himself. It's sad though.
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He was the grandson of a unschooled military man who was put in power with the help of the British.
I would take him over any Ayatollah.
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I would take him over any Ayatollah.
There are good Ayatollahs my favourite was Taleghani

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I would take him over any Ayatollah.
Based on the lesser of two evils, I would rather take a home grown theocrat than a Western puppet with dictatorial tendencies.
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Based on the lesser of two evils, I would rather take a home grown...
Not sure about the point you're making here Castro. Leaving the discussion of Iran out of this, based on the experiences with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot and a host of others, it seems to me that when it comes to evil, being "home grown" is not much of a preferential differentiator.
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You cannot blame others ...
Only the illness.
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Nil - have you ever actually dealt with anyone with depression? It seems you have a very hollywood view of it !!

The chances are everyone around him has been helping for years ...
The chances are also that he has damn near ruined their lives in that period - I lived with a father with depression for 7 years . Everyone around him tried to help. He came through it ( actually he died early this year but had been symptom freed for about 20 years - but he ruined my teenage years.

You cannot blame others ...
Yes I have dealt with someone in depression, me.

I was saying that knowing their life stories, knowing their tendency from their life and family history, it was something to keep in mind. Depression is very difficult to get over but it doesn't have to be a fatality.

Someone somewhere didn't do his job means that maybe, just maybe they didn't have enough support to come over this.
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Old 10.01.2011, 22:46
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I am not a very tolerant person when it comes to depression.

Someone once told me that depression is an inability to accept reality.

If a person doesn't care about anything and doesn't want to live,then I think they should be allowed to die.

If the depression is transitory and just part of healing that's fine.

If a person is clinically or psychologically depressed then they should get help.

If someone gives out signals that they need help in getting themselves out of the abyss of depression then they should not be ignored.

However, some people who are depressed, can be selfish, or lazy, they may be bliind to how their depression is hurting others or even use their depression to hurt others. If they refuse help, or any effort to get themselves out of it- I say -goodbye and good luck-because those that are depressed can drag others down with them- Misery loves company.

However I am not sure that this man was depressed. I am wondering if he was gay or had some secret that he could not reveal, but then my family says that I think everyone is gay.
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I lived with a father with depression for 7 years . Everyone around him tried to help. He came through it ( actually he died early this year but had been symptom freed for about 20 years - but he ruined my teenage years.
You cannot blame others ...
BUt you just did.
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I am not a very tolerant person when it comes to depression.

Someone once told me that depression is an inability to accept reality.

If a person doesn't care about anything and doesn't want to live,then I think they should be allowed to die.
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Someone once told me that depression is an inability to accept reality.
However, some people who are depressed, can be selfish, or lazy, they may be bliind to how their depression is hurting others or even use their depression to hurt others. If they refuse help, or any effort to get themselves out of it- I say -goodbye and good luck-because those that are depressed can drag others down with them- Misery loves company.
Depression happens when you stop loving and believing in yourself. When you stop believing in yourself, you cease to function normally or you put yourself on autopilot until something triggers a breakdown.

May you or your loved ones never encounter such a soul-torturing emotion.
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I am not a very tolerant person when it comes to depression.
Someone once told me that depression is an inability to accept reality.
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"Someone" is wrong.
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BUt you just did.
I was 12 years old ... and I was talking about his depression
Thankfully, I have accepted it and got on with my life - read what I wrote
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