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Sarah Palin's lists are being deleted throughout the internet.
Which , to me, shows that Palin's team are actually concerned that the advertising may have been a factor that prompted the gunfire. If nothing else, the ads were definitely in very poor taste. I used to think Palin was just a joke, but her continued high profile and the fact that some people actually seem to think she has what it takes to run a country, scares me.

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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, AZ politician, has just been killed



Apparently, this is the shooter
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Old 08.01.2011, 23:17
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, AZ politician, has just been killed

I was reading some of her comments and ideas, and this is a pretty dangerous speech. I wouldn't be surprise to hear in few hours/days that the young man did this in support of her ideology. The speech and List is a very dangerous tool for someone enough crazy to take it literally.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, AZ politician, has just been killed

People have murdered in the name of the environment, in the name of religion, to protect the rights of the unborn and so on. How about placing the responsibility for this horrific crime on the whack job who did this. Blaming Palin for this is like blaming JD Salinger for John Lennon's death.
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WHich , to me, shows that Plin's team are actually concerned that the advertising may have been a facotr the prompted the gunfire. If nothing else, the ads were definitely in very poor taste. I used to think Palin was just a joke, but her continued high profile and the fact that some people actually seem to think she has what it takes to run a country, scares me.
She's turning into a 21th century Alaskan Al Capone...lol
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People have murdered in the name of the environment, in the name of religion, to protect the rights of the unborn and so on. How about placing the responsibility for this horrific crime on the whack job who did this. Blaming Palin for this is like blaming JD Salinger for John Lennon's death.
You can still inspire an idiot to commit a crime through hateful speech. It is like not setting somebody on fire yourself, but rather providing the perpetrator with fuel...
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Agreed- inciting hatred is actually illegal in many countries. The fact SP seems to think that you can show a political opponent as a gun target on FB- and not realise how dangerous it is- shows how stupid and dangerous she really IS.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

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Agree: She is very stupid indeed. It is a pity that the Republican party has come down to this. Having said that, if I were a US citizen, my vote would be Republican. I prefer disaster to catastrophe.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

usually, when a politician is shot, we think it is for their political stances or affiliations. this case may or may not have a political motive, i haven't heard yet if there is one.

of course this guy is the one to blame, he shot her and the others, an incredibly sad event. it isn't to say that palin is to blame, but it is worth thinking about the connection that her words and propaganda have on seriously deranged people. with a very real problem of gun violence in the states, politicians need to rethink the images and words that they use, such as palin used in the pac.
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usually, when a politician is shot, we think it is for their political stances or affiliations. this case may or may not have a political motive, i haven't heard yet if there is one.

of course this guy is the one to blame, he shot her and the others, an incredibly sad event. it isn't to say that palin is to blame, but it is worth thinking about the connection that her words and propaganda have on seriously deranged people. with a very real problem of gun violence in the states, politicians need to rethink the images and words that they use, such as palin used in the pac.
Are there actually any recent reports linking the suspect in custody to Palin ads or to anything else. Very early to speculate, could be a variety of motives.
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Agree: She is very stupid indeed. It is a pity that the Republican party has come down to this. Having said that, if I were a US citizen, my vote would be Republican. I prefer disaster to catastrophe.
I am a U.S. citizen, and am proud to be a registered Democrat.
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Agree: She is very stupid indeed. It is a pity that the Republican party has come down to this. Having said that, if I were a US citizen, my vote would be Republican. I prefer disaster to catastrophe.
With record deficits and stubbornly high unemployment, I think that both parties are on the wrong track...nevertheless it is safe to assume that the democrats are the lesser of two evils...
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People have murdered in the name of the environment, in the name of religion, to protect the rights of the unborn and so on. How about placing the responsibility for this horrific crime on the whack job who did this. Blaming Palin for this is like blaming JD Salinger for John Lennon's death.
When you have a public image, it is your responsability to be careful of what you are saying, because people (sane & crazy) will look up to you and take for granted what comes out of your mouth.

You have to chose your words carefully. And showing a map with people's name on it with Target guns was obviously a very stupid and provocative things to do for any person having a trouble spirit.
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With record deficits and stubbornly high unemployment, I think that both parties are on the wrong track...nevertheless it is safe to assume that the democrats are the lesser of two evils...
With Bush screwing up the whole country dramatically, no matter who was the next to take the power of the country, no miracle was realistic to expect. Jesus Christ wasn't going to do a come back just to save USA from the shit left by Bush!
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

This disturbed individual, inspired by fired up by rhetoric from yee-ha politicians like Palin, has killed an innocent 9-year-old girl.

I am happy that TLC will be ending the run of Sarah Palin's Alaska



I wonder if this is true? From

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This image appeared on Giffords’ opponent Jesse Kelly’s web site:
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Seems like it might be true- here again?

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Jesse Kelly, meanwhile, doesn’t seem to be bothered in the least by the Sarah Palin controversy earlier this year, when she released a list of targeted races in crosshairs, urging followers to “reload” and “aim” for Democrats. Critics said she was inciting violence.
He seems to be embracing his fellow tea partier’s idea. Kelly’s campaign event website has a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
http://www.alan.com/2011/01/08/giffo...elle-giffords/

If it is true, then every one of those on the Palin 'hit list' should be afforded protection for fear of copycat attacks.

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With Bush screwing up the whole country dramatically, no matter who was the next to take the power of the country, no miracle was realistic to expect. Jesus Christ wasn't going to do a come back just to save USA from the shit left by Bush!
You can track back the kind of government policies that fueled the crisis back to the Clinton government, namely:
- Low interest rates.
- Government backing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
- An explicit government agenda to support low income families to become property owners.
- Tax deductability of mortgage servicing with no counter value (and some people on this forum complain about the Swiss tax on presumed rental value! which actually compensates for the tax deduction on interest A far superior system than the American since it avoids creating government distortions that we know: incentivating through tax ownership over rental).

So Nil, in summary, I don't buy your Bush argument. From an economic policy point of view, it basically was more of the same Clinton thing. Both get a "D" from me.
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You can track back the kind of government policies that fueled the crisis back to the Clinton government, namely:
- Low interest rates.
- Government backing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
- An explicit government agenda to support low income families to become property owners.
- Tax deductability of mortgage servicing with no counter value (and some people on this forum complain about the Swiss tax on presumed rental value! which actually compensates for the tax deduction on interest A far superior system than the American since it avoids creating government distortions that we know: incentivating through tax ownership over rental).

So Nil, in summary, I don't buy your Bush argument. From an economic policy point of view, it basically was more of the same Clinton thing. Both get a "D" from me.
Everything you stated above is true, but if you want to be more precise you can back track to Reagan...and to Nixon before him, but Reagan caused the most harm and did the most damage.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

Although she was a politician, and clearly, from initial reports at least, it was a targeted attack on her (and her constituents), please have a little decency in your posts. This is a very sad situation regardless of your political viewpoint. Many innocent people were shot and some were killed. There is no excuse for what happened. period. This is not the time for insensitive spewing of random BS...
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Everything you stated above is true, but if you want to be more precise you can back track to Reagan...and to Nixon before him, but Reagan caused the most harm and did the most damage.
Not really:
- Reagan reduced income taxes (especially for the rich which was a good thing to do at the time, some argue that this act was the most important factor in the economic expansion that followed).
- Increased interest rates (to curb inflation).
- Increased defense expenditure (The USSR still was an issue).
- The only non-populist president that did not increase minimum wage.
- Opposed increased regulation of economic activities.

I can give Reagan a "B".
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