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So you see a politician whose staff do not remove a comment advocating politically motivated child murder from their site as competent and morally sound?
She's a politican. Of course she isn't competent or morally sound.

What planet do you live on, GG?
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She's a politican. Of course she isn't competent or morally sound.

What planet do you live on, GG?
You at least have to have the appearance of decency, otherwise you end up encouraging deranged shooters.

It doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks the Daily Mail is a work of comedy is an apologist for a bigoted politician.

And yes, I can write that even though I work at a desk. What kind of people are allowed to comment on Palin in your world, DB . . . lumberjacks?
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Oh dear - I am out of here.
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You at least have to have the appearance of decency
Oh, hypocrisy, you mean. Glad we got that straight.

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It doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks the Daily Mail is a work of comedy is an apologist for a bigoted politician.
Huh? I'm not an apologist for anyone. They're all power-crazed, vicious thugs, every last one of them. Haven't you been paying attention?

Come now, Mr Gnome. Please do keep up. These are p-o-l-i-t-i-c-i-a-n-s we're talking about. Not nice people like the sort of people who work in your office or down your local Migros.

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And yes, I can write that even though I work at a desk. What kind of people are allowed to comment on Palin in your world, DB . . . lumberjacks?
Anyone can, so long as they know which bit of the Guardian or the Economist to quote, eh?
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They're all power-crazed, vicious thugs, every last one of them. Haven't you been paying attention?
Oh, I forgot . . . you're merely a cynical nihilist with no sense of hope.

Even if you think individual politicians are dismally equivalent you still have to show a preference as to policies, outlook and styles of communication.

The counter-hypothesis which you seem to be proposing is that right-wing rhetoric had no influence on the Tucson shooter. Is this why he had bees in his bonnet about gold-backed currency, the US Constitution and government mind control?
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Oh, I forgot . . . you're merely a cynical nihilist with no sense of hope.
Yes, dear. Whatever you say, dear. I'm just a thick redneck from the provinces, what do I know about the subtleties of life at court?

Best be off to bed, so I don't step on anyone's fine embroidered slippers any more...

Night night!
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Old 10.01.2011, 23:41
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I'm not defending the Tea Party. I don't give a monkey's about the Tea Party. I'm just pointing out the hilarity of the situation, that's all. Lone lunatic goes on the rampage, political types gleefully seize on the situation to further their own agendas, people from Zurich to Zanzibar get worked up about it, then they move on to brown sugar and dishwasher tablets and a mom and a dad mourn their daughter for the rest of their lives. Great stuff. Better than telly, this is.



Na... und?
I just don't see why it is necessary for people to have guns if they don't have to hunt to eat.

Ut is really sick to suggest that Obama is profitting form this, it shows that you know nothing about US politics. Some will use this as an argument for more guns- if someone had a gun they could have taken him down-we'll make sure we take care of him now- we will hang draw and quarter him...

Arizona was a cliffhanger race, with the border control issues etc. The odd were stacked against a democrat winning, Gifford only got in because she was so centrist, an extremely hard worked and well-liked on both sides.

She has to make it back- otherwise who will the Democrats find to replace her? If the Tea Party can make the shooter out to be a socialist, loner nutjob, who had political connections to Gifford, claim that it was an inside job, then they can discredit the whole Arizona democratic party and make people believe that they need real protection from the Tea Party gun toters. That is what they are doing now, ridiculing attempts from moderates to tone down the rhetoric.
This truly is a watershed moment in US politics, so many people in the US truly think with their guns.
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Old 10.01.2011, 23:47
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Yes, dear. Whatever you say, dear. I'm just a thick redneck from the provinces, what do I know about the subtleties of life at court?

Best be off to bed, so I don't step on anyone's fine embroidered slippers any more...

Night night!
Ah yes. I forgot about the chip on your shoulder too.
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Then why is she being dragged into this whole sorry business concerning some locally-known nutter shooting his local representative at his local shopping centre in Arizona?
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I think the Sarah Palin thing is just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. She unfortunately "targeted" this congress woman in particular with her campaign. But the way I see it the furor is really more about the general atmosphere of hatred, vitriol, paranoia & polemics (is that word) in US politics in general right now.

Some of the comments that are being made in support of these people being shot because they are "liberal loonies" is a reflection of some very scary ideas out there.

Of course, we all know that people will say quite vile things on the internet that they wouldn't say in face to face.

I think we need to turn off the internet. (Ok, joking!)
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Old 11.01.2011, 00:18
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Anyone can, so long as they know which bit of the Guardian or the Economist to quote, eh?
There ya go . . .

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...ielle_giffords
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

I'm still amazed at how some bit of incompetence by a junior member of Palin's staff is being viewed as representative of Palin's morality. For crying out loud, people - you think she edits Facebook herself? She's probably got an intern, not much brighter than your average McDonald's worker, and he/she/it probably can't keep up.

And olygirl - while it's true that many Americans misunderstand their right to free speech, that doesn't mean that Palin's editing is any kind of impediment to free speech. You're welcome to post your thoughts on your website, but not hers.

I'm a little concerned that so many of you have taken this opportunity to attack Palin; I remember Democrats using race in speeches throughout the past two decades in ways that were just as likely to incite violence. Particularly in the US, people tend to polarize and politicians speak strongly; yet nobody with any sense tries to blame them for the actions of a crackpot.

By the way, there are now suspicions that the shooter had ties to some sort of white supremacist group, which is a much more likely motivator to this kind of act than the Tea Party. Look at his history, people - he's had a thing against Giffords for quite some time, apparently.
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By the way, there are now suspicions that the shooter had ties to some sort of white supremacist group, which is a much more likely motivator to this kind of act than the Tea Party. Look at his history, people - he's had a thing against Giffords for quite some time, apparently.
Interesting- perhaps it's late at night and I am making connections where there aren't any, but if you are really serious about these White supremacist thing than I have to mention this:

Heard of Russell Pearce-Republican Arizona State Senator?

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* In October 2006, Russell Pearce forwarded an email from National Alliance, a white separatist group, to a group of supporters. The email titled "Who Rules America"[12] criticized black and white intermixing and Jews in the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for depicting "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot, and for presenting the Holocaust as fact.[13] He quickly apologized. The article reports, "He does not agree with the sentiments in the article, but that the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him. He said the article had been forwarded to him by someone else and he would not have sent it if he had read it in its entirety."[13] He stated in one of his apologies, "Ugly the words contained in it really are. They are not mine and I disavow them completely. Worse still, the website links to a group whose politics are the ugliest imaginable."[13]

* Pearce was also criticized for his association with white supremacist J.T. Ready.[14] Pearce endorsed Ready for Mesa City Council in 2006[15] and appeared with him at several rallies. In 2004 Pearce was photographed attending J.T Ready's baptism into the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Church documents reveal that Pearce ordained J.T Ready into the LDS priesthood.[16] Pearce has since claimed he was unaware of Ready's neo-Nazi affiliations at the time he made the endorsement.[17]

* In April 2008, Pearce sponsored a measure, Senate Bill 1108, that would prohibit students of Arizona universities and community colleges from forming groups based in whole or part on the race of their membership. Pearce said he didn't want students indoctrinated with progressive ideologies. Critics have stated that the bill would ban groups that serve minority interests such as the Mexican American study program and the Black Business Students Association.[18]

* As lead sponsor of SB1070, Pearce received assistance from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) in drafting the text for the legislation.[19] In December 2007, FAIR was identified as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).[20] FAIR has received funding from the Pioneer Group, which the press has identified as a neo-Nazi organization.[21]
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Oh, I forgot . . . you're merely a cynical nihilist with no sense of hope.

Even if you think individual politicians are dismally equivalent you still have to show a preference as to policies, outlook and styles of communication.

The counter-hypothesis which you seem to be proposing is that right-wing rhetoric had no influence on the Tucson shooter. Is this why he had bees in his bonnet about gold-backed currency, the US Constitution and government mind control?
You are arguing with a great defender of freedom of speech, no matter what.

No consequences should be taken by someone who says something that may gives some guts to some ''détraqué'' to go out and kill people.

Freedom of speech no matter what!
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You are arguing with a great defender of freedom of speech, no matter what.
No consequences should be taken by someone who says something that may gives some guts to some ''détraqué'' to go out and kill people.
Freedom of speech no matter what!
Freedom of speech is one of the basic human rights indeed. However, I fail to understand why it should be ranked above other basic human rights, such as the right to live.
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Ouch.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

Very sad, can't help feeling a lot of people are fostering a belief that the US government is at war with it's own citizens, and although Palin et al may not be responsible for it, they're certainly happy to encourage it.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

It's too easy to say: "that's the way politics is and has always been." When I came to Switzerland and smoking was socially acceptable, I was told, "it's the way it is and has always been" but nowadays we have smoke-free restaurants. We can change.

The Democrats say the Republicans are spewing violent imagery. The expats on this forum say the SVP are racist and use violent/negative imagery. There's nothing wrong with democracy but there's a responsibility on how we present it. Using violent imagery provokes violent thoughts. If we could change the politics to a objective, respective and thought-provoking rhetoric instead of sensationalism, we would be one step closer to a better world. This would be the best way to honor the victims of 9/11, Arizona and all those who have died due to politics. And perhaps it will save lives in the future.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords, US politician, shot in the head

I can't judge on Sara Palin unless I have seen her once without eyeglasses
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