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Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

I came to visit your forum specifically to get some perspective from Switzerland citizens on this topic.

Why do you think there is so much more firearm violence in the U.S. than there is Switzerland?

So far, based on the discussions of other threads on this forum, it leads me to believe there are more restrictions on firearms in Switzerland than there is in the U.S., but I really don't think this is the reason for the violence involving firearms - or if at all, it is a small piece of the equation.

I previously read somewhere in my country that every home in Switzerland was required to have firearms. I no longer believe that is true at all, but it just shows what kind of rhetoric that is floating around out there.

So is it Culture? Education? Place? History?

What do you think?

Is there anyone there that studies these things and subscribes to this forum to discuss information from a career standpoint?
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There's a very interesting thread on the subject here.

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Apparently it is because we (Swiss) are all endoctrinated by the system to be middle of the road responsible people who sit on fences - so it says on the banking thread. so it must be true.
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

I heard it is because Swiss society is, like, all homogeneous with very very few foreigners. And also they all have guns under their mattresses which helps.



I read it on the internet so it must be true!
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

I think the real question is, which country have much more problems that forces violence??

The problem is not about arms / weapons, the problem is why someone have to be violant in the first place to use his gun?
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Why do you think there is so much more firearm violence in the U.S. than there is Switzerland?
I think the answer is cheese.

If Swiss people were compelled to eat Colby Jack instead of top quality cheese imported from the United Kingdom (not to mention some of their own cheeses which are reputed to be adequate for certain culinary purposes, such as bread dunking, or scraping onto boiled potatoes), then they might also take up arms against one another, making Switzerland into the kind of bloody hell-hole that would make the crime ridden fields and forest of the Upper Midwest look positively pleasant in comparison.

Nuke Wisconsin, and ye shall all be saved.

It's the only way.
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And never believe 'Swiss' cheese is Swiss in the US.

Get back on thread now ... perhaps.
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And never believe 'Swiss' cheese is Swiss in the US.
I've heard that American "Swiss" cheese is horrible, but that the holes are delicious.
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The holes taste practically the same as in real Swiss chees, but the stuff around them can only be used for caulking your leaking gutters. However, the so called Original Swiss Gruyère sold in the USA by Emmi Switzerland isn't any better except it can also be used on holes in your muffler. And, being genuinly Swiss, of cause it's three to four times as expensive as the American "Swiss" cheese (yep, usally from Wisconsin).

Simple tip for any American chef: Take an old recipe, throw in some grated or thinly sliced "Swiss" cheese and call the whole thing "Swiss." Exception: "Swiss steak," totally unknown in Swiss cuisine and does not even contain "Swiss" cheese.

What were we talking about? Oh, gun violence? Getting my coat, oops, jammies, ok?
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

Canada probably has as many guns as USA. Why don't they have a constant stream of shootings ?
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Why don't they have a constant stream of shootings ?
Does the US have a constant stream of shootings?
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What was the name of the film that investigated the Columbine school massacre? Anyway he concluded that US Americans feared their neighbours most, while Canadians just across the border from Chicago were leaving their doors unlocked.

Yesterday I read on BBC teletext that 2 US Senators have just stated that next time they meet the public they will be carrying hand guns! What ARE they thinking of? Having a gun battle shoot out at a political rally? And these are the law makers! What are the normal red necks thinking?

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The CDC website is interesting.


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The CDC website is interesting.


I'd be interested in seeing what that graph would look like if it were broken down state by state. Is gun crime as prevalent in the gun-wielding heartlands of the South and Mid West as in the big coastal cities, or not?

EDIT: I found what I was looking for.

I'm not very good at American geography. Can anyone tell me a little about possible demographic reasons for the prevalence of firearm related crime in some states, compared to others?

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What was the name of the film that investigated the Columbine school massacre? Anyway he concluded that US Americans feared their neighbours most, while Canadians just across the border from Chicago were leaving their doors unlocked.

Yesterday I read on BBC teletext that 2 US Senators have just stated that next time they meet the public they will be carrying hand guns! What ARE they thinking of? Having a gun battle shoot out at a political rally? And these are the law makers! What are the normal red necks thinking?

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Canadians across the border from Chicago?? I've certainly never crossed that border
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It was Bowling For Columbine by Michael Moore. One of the scenes was shot at my favorite barber shop, Jon's in Suttons Bay, MI.

By the way, the "Canadians just across the border from Chicago" are called Michiganders (female form Michigeese, their kids are called Michigoslings and a whole flock is a Michigaggle). Actually, they believe they belong to the USA, yet they leave their doors unlocked too, outside the big cities anyway.

Michael Moore is a Michigander too, can often be seen and talked to in Traverse City.

Should've donned my jammies, shouldn't I?
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It was Bowling For Columbine by Michael Moore. One of the scenes was shot at my favorite barber shop, Jon's in Suttons Bay, MI.

By the way, the "Canadians just across the border from Chicago" are called Michiganders (female form Michigeese, their kids are called Michigoslings and a whole flock is a Michigaggle). Actually, they believe they belong to the USA, yet they leave their doors unlocked too, outside the big cities anyway.

Michael Moore is a Michigander too, can often be seen and talked to in Traverse City.

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I guess I'm Canadian too then
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

In the US it's hate, both stirred and produced by the media and "entertainment".

The Swiss, they just stir their fondue, pop a cork and talk about their last or next vacation.
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

Ok, Well I am the same "Kegs" that started the thread mentioned on Glocktalk - and came here specifically because there are more Swiss here than there would be on Glocktalk.

I wanted to get some Swiss perspective.

I noted that there is no "private message" system available on this forum, so Graybeard - I would like to discuss something in private with you, but have no way to do it.

I do not believe it is "Cheese", although I have the sneaky suspicion the "Swiss cheese" here is not at all Swiss, unless some Swiss person pulled it out of between their toes after a long hike in the Alps - does that sound right?

Now that we have that settled - I think J_T has an interesting thought about the equation.

I will check this thread tomorrow as I know it is exceedingly late for you all there.

As someone already mentioned, Chicago does not border Canada. Detroit has a border with Canada. The town on the other side of the Detroit river is Windsor, Ontario Canada.

I do not judge you for not knowing a piece of moderately complex geography as I am not good enough to name all the countries in Africa even.

This is about crime and most notably, gun crime. Swiss have a lot of guns and are thought of as a "gun loving" nation - that may or may not be true, but for certain, Canada does not have anywhere near as many guns as the U.S. and its laws are quite restrictive compared to the U.S. (I am quickly thinking that all other nations are restrictive compared to the U.S.)

Out of curiosity - and because Glock is in Austria (where all the bad bears are apparently - another thing I learned on here) - do they allow handgun ownership to the civilians?

Maybe this question is not worth asking here - maybe we'll have more serious ideas tomorrow. Good night, Switzerland.
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Re: Gun violence: U.S. vs. Switzerland?

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