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17.01.2011, 23:39
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As per this video and the speech they're talking while looking at the I.D documents @ 2:34, they say they're Israelis | Quote: | |  | | | Apparently German, Swedish and French mercenaries were arrested in Tunisia. Source | | | | | | 
25.10.2011, 21:38
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26.10.2011, 21:01
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As expected: a "moderate" Islamist party won the elections in Tunisia.
They promise to respect multi party democracy.
Not very likely.
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26.10.2011, 21:32
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| | Re: Tunisia uprising/riots | Quote: | |  | | | As expected: a "moderate" Islamist party won the elections in Tunisia.
They promise to respect multi party democracy.
Not very likely. | | | | | I trust the Tunisian people, they were the first Arab country to boot out a dictator.
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26.10.2011, 21:55
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| | Re: Tunisia uprising/riots | Quote: | |  | | | I trust the Tunisian people, they were the first Arab country to boot out a dictator. | | | | | Words which will come back to haunt you like a bad fricassee.
Damn, now I'm hungry again.
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26.10.2011, 22:07
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You need not be concerned about the outcome of the Tunisian elections. Think back very carefully about the nature of the uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. The manner in which these events unfolded is a fairly accurate reflection of the nature of these respective societies. The Tunisian uprising was characterised by the relatively peaceful demonstrations, which the Tunian police did not overwhelm, break up or fire on. Further, the Tunisian military was also not willing to violently subdue protests. Tunisia is a progressive and developed society which has institutions similar to many we value in Europe. Its people are concerned with the same things that we are - education, employment, liberty, development etc.
The uprisings in Egypy and Libya were progressively more bloody and prolonged and perhaps that is because the societies in these countries are not as moderate or developed as Tunisia.
The Islamist party which won the greater share of the votes has pledged to continue the Tunisian tradition of equality and opportunity for women - among other things - and there is no reason to suspect that this will not happen. It is hoped that now the corruption of the Ben Ali regime, which is estimated to have controled over 20% of the Tunisian economy has ended social institutions will be even stronger and better funded.
Instead of being cynical, we should acknowledge that plucky little Tunisia - the Poland of North Africa - stood up to its dictator and changed the course of history for itself and perhaps a whole region.
Since you asked!
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26.10.2011, 22:43
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I wouldn't wish the agnoy Poland went thru on any country - not even Tunisia.
I share your hope that Tunisia will avoid the fate of other countries who voted for Islamist parties and found themselves a lot worse off.
As for "Tunisia is a progressive and developed society which has institutions similar to many we value in Europe." - you mean Belarus ? Tunisia may be more progresive than Libya, but it's still a long way from Western European standards of civil society.
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27.10.2011, 07:52
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Pashosh, the comparison with Poland is drawn because both these countries were the first in their regions to stand up to brutal regimes, rather than continue the growing wave of uprising as other neighbouring countries did.
And as far as social institutions are concerned, isn't it a little disingenuous to hold up Belarus as a benchmark?
Tunisia was colonised by the French and its institutions model many of those in France (education, healthcare etc), but with additional consideration for Islamic traditions of charity/hospitality/family support. For example rates of participation in higher education would put many 'old' European countries to shame. Divorce is permitted, polygamy is not, women enjoy exactly the same rights as men etc.
Only God knows what will happen in the future in Tunisia but I think we should be optimistic.
And why not go and sample the beautiful weather, fascinating history and friendly welcome you will receive as a visitor? Tunisia needs tourism, not cynicism.
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27.10.2011, 19:48
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The European Parliament "Sakharov prize for freedom of thought" 2011 has been awarded to 5 activists of arab spring revolution.
Mohamed Bouazizi's immolation in Tunisia was the starting event of the revolution that toppled 3 dictators so far....more to come.
So far the elections in Tunisia were praised by all independent observers as democratic and transparent. I keep hope and trust the people. Some people are eternal pessimists whether we have dictatorships or democratic regimes to deal with.
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27.10.2011, 22:00
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| | Re: Tunisia uprising/riots | Quote: | |  | | | Pashosh, the comparison with Poland is drawn because both these countries were the first in their regions to stand up to brutal regimes, rather than continue the growing wave of uprising as other neighbouring countries did.
And as far as social institutions are concerned, isn't it a little disingenuous to hold up Belarus as a benchmark?
Tunisia was colonised by the French and its institutions model many of those in France (education, healthcare etc), but with additional consideration for Islamic traditions of charity/hospitality/family support. For example rates of participation in higher education would put many 'old' European countries to shame. Divorce is permitted, polygamy is not, women enjoy exactly the same rights as men etc.
Only God knows what will happen in the future in Tunisia but I think we should be optimistic.
And why not go and sample the beautiful weather, fascinating history and friendly welcome you will receive as a visitor? Tunisia needs tourism, not cynicism.
Ciao | | | | | Actually Hungary & Chechoslovakia tried before.
Iran also had a lively secular tradition - but the Islamists were better organized and much more brutal.
Maybe Tunisia will be able to escape a similar fate, but the Arab world has seen many a false dawn before and the Islamists will have no problem defining their opponents as "collaborators", "western puppets" to solidify their hold on power.
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02.11.2011, 22:12
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| | Re: Tunisia uprising/riots | Quote: | |  | | | As expected: a "moderate" Islamist party won the elections in Tunisia.
They promise to respect multi party democracy.
Not very likely. | | | | | I see names of their leaders and realize that quite many "NON-Islamists" joined that party in order to reach the rural areas of the country. And proclamations of them sound encouraging. Do not forget that Mr Erdogan also is a "moderate Islamist"
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