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Old 19.01.2011, 12:01
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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

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You are right, I remember that feeling too. But honestly, even if the guy would love to change the world, you have to look at the way the whole system works. It sucks because it is a very limited freedom to do so. You have a lot of very powerful people to fight against, a lot of lobbyist, a lot of conservative mindset, a lot of people keep their hand tight on their power.

How could he do more?
I think you'll find that any change (whether you are shifting to the left or to the right) is difficult to achieve as there are always people who keep their hands on the power, who oppose change and there are always lobbyists doing dirty deals. An important part of leadership is recognising that and dealing with those challenges. In hindsight I think Obama spent too much time wooing the people who weren't going to support him anyway while burning bridges to those who would have made good allies. So a lot of good ideas and good speeches but marred by tactical mistakes. But as I said earlier, all is not lost and I hope he learns from what went wrong. Call me an optimist, but I believe that he is up to it.

To some degree I see parallels to Tony Blair. A charismatic personality with a lot of idealism falls into the trap of wanting to be all things to all men and ends up being a grey and empty nobody, hated by everybody. I hope he wakes up before that happens.
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Old 19.01.2011, 12:10
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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

Obama is so badly perceived in the US by businessmen and entrepreneurs, that he feels the need to come up with articles like this in the WSJ:

Toward a 21st-Century Regulatory System

Business people however, are a tough audience for sweet words that are not backed-up by facts.
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Old 19.01.2011, 12:21
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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

Ah, you read the Wall Street Journal. That explains a lot.

You realize that their target audience are meant to be future bag-holders, right? Just don't invest any money on the basis of what you read in that rag, or you'll lose your shirt.
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Old 19.01.2011, 12:33
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Hu Hintao visits Obama

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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

Flavio, why do you hate America?
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Flavio, why do you hate America?
He hates your freedoms, obviously.

Everybody does.

Me, I just hate your root beer.
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Old 19.01.2011, 23:13
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Everybody does.

Me, I just hate your root beer.
As long as you like chicken wings!
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Old 19.01.2011, 23:20
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As long as you like chicken wings!
I LOVE chicken wings (as long as they are Bufalo style). In fact, I'm trying to decide whether to have wings on Friday, or to start slicing up the 3.4kg chunk of smoked meat my daughter brought home from Montreal the other day.

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P.S. And I also like Root Beer.
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I'm not worried. Sooner or later the disparity in wealth between rich and poor, country and city will hit China. We already have many of their top scientists in the US working for US research companies, they become American ASAP. Do they want to return to China? Hell NO! So they just become Chinese American and I'm fine with that, they blend in with everyone else. There aren't many wealthy, successful Chinese men who are happy to stay in China.

On top of that there are too few women. Either one woman will have to have many husbands, or Chinese men will have to get wives from abroad, not all of them are rich enough to attract wives.

On top of that is the human rights record, which Obama raised during the meeting.

On top of that they are still copying more than innovating- at least in China!

I don't like Kissinger ( I think that he is stuck in the past, his experience is no longer relevant) but I do like Charlie Rose- Hu came to dinner

http://www.charlierose.com/

Schedule:

  1. Jan 21, 2011
    1. Zhou Wenzhong, Former US Ambassador to China
    2. John Mack, Chairman, Morgan Stanley
  2. Jan 20, 2011
    1. Susan Rice, US Ambassador to the United Nations
  3. Jan 19, 2011
    1. Henry Kissinger
  4. Jan 18, 2011
    1. A look at Hu Jintao's visits to Washington D.C.
    2. Wu Jianmin
    3. Author Garry Trudeau


Anyway, I will probably see Obama tomorrow YAY!
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Old 21.01.2011, 01:49
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Look! even that pandas don't want to go home. I think he's eating a dunkin donut pinkiced with sprinkles and thinking 'Oh no, all that pollution!' They are an endangered species after all- so fragile.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PUKQZPRAc7...s400/panda.jpg

Donald Trump says he moght throw his hat in the ring for the Republican presidency bid. I wonder if with all the new gun sales and NRA pressure it will be a Republican shoot-out, with the last man standing wins. Looks like that's the way they want it, with Palin saying it was good enough for the Founding Fathers and Alexander Hamilton.

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Old 23.01.2011, 22:17
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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

What's with the rootbeer DB ? Tis a mandatory requirement didn't you know ?

I do hope Obama gets a second term. He's a smart president with a vision and strong leadership. He needs a second term to be able to achieve all that he wants to do.
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Well yes. And that's what his strategy has been, to get re-elected and then do more of what he wants to do. Except he can't win again, because almost half the people who voted for him won't again, because he could have done more in the meantime. Also in the meantime, the republicans become more powerful.
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Old 23.01.2011, 22:37
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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

If that happens it will be a downright pity.
Society is steeped in instant gratification.
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Old 23.01.2011, 22:46
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Well yes. And that's what his strategy has been, to get re-elected and then do more of what he wants to do. Except he can't win again, because almost half the people who voted for him won't again, because he could have done more in the meantime. Also in the meantime, the republicans become more powerful.
Pretty daring assertion there. You really need to back that up.

Right now, Obama's ratings are only climbing as the Republicans got back some power and are reminding everyone why they were fired in the first place. Okay, that was a little broad.

The only Republican who polls favorably versus Obama is Mitt Romney, who will have trouble getting through the primaries as a Mormon who implemented the something an awful lot like Obamacare in his state. Behind Romney, there's a bunch of people that will get thrashed in the election, starting with Palin (who I think will implode before then), then Huckabee (not bad, no major skeletons, but probably too conservative to win), Pawlenty (can't generate interest), and a bunch of who-dats.

My personal take is that anyone conservative enough to win the Republican primary will get trounced in the election, especially if the Tea Party manages to choose the Republican candidate for them. From a practical standpoint, Obama is well-positioned, and the Republican win in the last election will do a lot to expose them before the next election.
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Pretty daring assertion there. You really need to back that up.

Right now, Obama's ratings are only climbing as the Republicans got back some power and are reminding everyone why they were fired in the first place. Okay, that was a little broad.

The only Republican who polls favorably versus Obama is Mitt Romney, who will have trouble getting through the primaries as a Mormon who implemented the something an awful lot like Obamacare in his state. Behind Romney, there's a bunch of people that will get thrashed in the election, starting with Palin (who I think will implode before then), then Huckabee (not bad, no major skeletons, but probably too conservative to win), Pawlenty (can't generate interest), and a bunch of who-dats.

My personal take is that anyone conservative enough to win the Republican primary will get trounced in the election, especially if the Tea Party manages to choose the Republican candidate for them. From a practical standpoint, Obama is well-positioned, and the Republican win in the last election will do a lot to expose them before the next election.
Well that's YOUR opinion. Hehe. Jk. If it's really the case that there aren't any viable republican candidates, then his plan will work, and good for him (and us, i think). Though he won't have as much power as he had when he started. And if he would have won by default then why is he did he ever hold back, and concede, etc.

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Well that's YOUR opinion. Hehe. Jk. If it's really the case that there aren't any viable republican candidates, then his plan will work, and good for him (and us, i think). Though he won't have as much power as he had when he started. And if he would have won by default then why is he did he ever hold back, and concede, etc.

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That's really the recurring question about his first term. Deep down, I just think he is more moderate than liberals want him to be. He strikes as deeply pragmatic, and just takes what the defense gives him, so to speak. I don't think he is the idealist people want him to be, at his core.
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What's with the rootbeer DB ? Tis a mandatory requirement didn't you know ?

I do hope Obama gets a second term. He's a smart president with a vision and strong leadership. He needs a second term to be able to achieve all that he wants to do.
I saw Obama on Friday and was holding my sign 'Obama 2012'. I hope he saw it. I was standing next to a Naval Officer who had put his uniform on specially, just arrived from up Florida he waited one hour in about 9F temperature just to show his support and be near him. At least he got to be interviewed on TV. We were a jovial crowd of Blacks, Whites, Hispanics a 16 year old who had just got his license and canceled his doctor visit to drive over. There was one weird agitated looking guy who wouldn't show his posters, the police got rid of him. Secret Service, helicopters and heavy security everywhere- all for a 2 hour visit. Even the republican politicians were singing his praises. It was great!
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That's really the recurring question about his first term. Deep down, I just think he is more moderate than liberals want him to be. He strikes as deeply pragmatic, and just takes what the defense gives him, so to speak. I don't think he is the idealist people want him to be, at his core.
I agree. There is a lot of misplaced disappointment. I was surrounded by a lot of those people who expected too much, having lived in honolulu for so long. But i have studied the guy intensely, and compared to his life in a il he is acting out of character. There are atleast a few missed opportunities where he could of at least given it the college try. Even if those attempts had failed he would at least have maintained more convidence, and therefore sopport. It seems like he is too scared to take risks, or too concerned with appearing to be moderate. My disappointment is based on my perceived difference between what i know about his earlier political life (and pre political) and how he seems as president. It's hard to point at one thing without providing lots of context for why i think as president he acted contrary to what i know about his life as a professor, lawyer, civil rights activist, and as an il and us senator.

But maybe all that previous stuff was the act, and you are right, that he really is more moderate than most thought. I took a class from an HLS professor by the name of a Ogletree who knows Obama very well, and he argued your point exacly. Seems like the most pc position to take.

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CNN's Candy Crowley surprised by Rumsfeld's ignorance of Obama's good global image

C'mmon, Isn't America's international image any better?

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Re: Obama - what chance has he got?

More people realizing that talking doesn't equate to doing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7284SZ20110309.

The proportion of Americans who believe the country is on the right track dropped 7 points in the past month to 31 percent, and 64 percent think the country is on the wrong track.

It was the highest number of people in an Ipsos poll who believe the country is going in the wrong direction since Obama took office in January 2009.

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