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I walked on water on Sunday - the water was snow at the time, but the bible doesn't specify anything about the physical state of the water!

Theology is the original Mickey Mouse degree.
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Old 18.01.2011, 12:51
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I recommend the Chris Hitchens book/TV programme 'The missionary position', it's a full blooded rant about this sort of stuff focusing on the 'saintly' mother Theresa. Can be seen on YouTube...
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I am not even a believer, so I am not sure if my opinion counts, but I have been translating catholic poets, catholic faith interests me and a good religious debate too, respek, people! Where is the love.

I say, make him a saint. I have admiration and respect for that man. He was educated and caring, the personal letters my grandpa kept, that were from JPII to a no-name philosopher, country school principal and beekeeper stuck in Czech commie mountains, were interesting. Gave him hope and to the whole village, when faith was illegal and people being executed. Anyone doing that should be made saint.

I think it is too easy to be cool and shoot people's faith down. I think I would rather participate in shooting down Greenpeace, fruitarians and freedom fighters, but that wouldn't be too cool either.
I admired JPII as a person too, but just feel that all the surrounding tat of Catholic pomp
is detracting from the good man.
Do you really think that such a humble, modest man would have wanted a sainthood??
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I admired JPII as a person too, but just feel that all the surrounding tat of Catholic pomp
is detracting from the good man.
Do you really think that such a humble, modest man would have wanted a sainthood??
By all accounts he was a good goal keeper in his youth as well, but he did re-affirm the Catholic dogma of the non-use of condoms during the height of the AIDS pandemic, in a fair trial in the eyes of God that alone would be good reason to not let him into heaven in the first place!

And he most definitely would have liked to be beatified, who wants to be a random bum in heaven?
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I admired JPII as a person too, but just feel that all the surrounding tat of Catholic pomp
is detracting from the good man.
Do you really think that such a humble, modest man would have wanted a sainthood??
Hmmm...honestly? I think he would if there was one single person this sainthood would help.

Who cares for pomp. Just decoration. If it is important for some, makes their life easier, helps them find the way to substance than why not...Punks wore ugly pompous clothes but their music wasn't bad at all (sorry, punks ).

I just know my grandpa would be happy. And those monks in the monastery we helped with fund-raising with a choir, so if they are happy, I am happy. Make that humble and modest man saint, since he will be a good example to follow. (well, minus the condom affair and other issues, but that is an issue of church, not JPII, me thinks).
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"Dear JPII, please turn around Liverpool's dire season and make them win the premiership"

If that works, I'm converting to RC.
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Do you really think that such a humble, modest man would have wanted a sainthood??
Very very interesting point indeed, probably one that not many people have thought of.
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Bit of a dodgy miracle if you ask me.

Pope on fast track to sainthood for denying cure for parkinsons to thousands of sufferers. The cure is reportedly only to be made available to selected friends and family of the catholic church, and only if asked for from a contact currently unreachable at the vatican, leaving many sufferers angry and frustrated.
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Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Liverpool FC. Your enquiry has been forwarded to the appropriate department that deals with all matters relating to Liverpool FC.
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Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

People interested in the sainthood phenomenon, should read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Tears-Saints-M.../dp/0226106748

It describes very well the differences between normal people and the saint-ill

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Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Liverpool FC. Your enquiry has been forwarded to the appropriate department that deals with all matters relating to Liverpool FC.
They will contact you directly regarding Liverpool FC - we do advise you that, because of a large backlog of enquiries regarding Liverpool FC, this could take an eternity.

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I've also been in touch with St. Anthony regarding finding another striker.

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I am not even a believer, so I am not sure if my opinion counts, but I have been translating catholic poets, catholic faith interests me and a good religious debate too, respek, people! Where is the love.

I say, make him a saint. I have admiration and respect for that man. He was educated and caring, the personal letters my grandpa kept, that were from JPII to a no-name philosopher, country school principal and beekeeper stuck in Czech commie mountains, were interesting. Gave him hope and to the whole village, when faith was illegal and people being executed. Anyone doing that should be made saint.

I think it is too easy to be cool and shoot people's faith down. I think I would rather participate in shooting down Greenpeace, fruitarians and freedom fighters, but that wouldn't be too cool either.
I agree about respect for people's beliefs. I have friends who have strong faiths, so would never mock. However- as for most things, some people expect their faith to be respected, but are quite happy to shoot other faiths down. Question has not been answered, how does one choose the right side? Not very long ago here, in the UK and across the world, Catholics believed the wrong side was Protestants, and vice-versa- and were quite happy to burn each other alive. Now the 'wrong' side has changed identity. I have many relatives and friends who are on the 'wrong' side, and I respect their faith just as much.
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I agree about respect for people's beliefs. I have friends who have strong faiths, so would never mock. However- as for most things, some people expect their faith to be respected, but are quite happy to shoot other faiths down. Question has not been answered, how does one choose the right side? Not very long ago here, in the UK and across the world, Catholics believed the wrong side was Protestants, and vice-versa- and were quite happy to burn each other alive. Now the 'wrong' side has changed identity. I have many relatives and friends who are on the 'wrong' side, and I respect their faith just as much.
It is an interesting point; the modern Church (whether it be RC or Protestant) would like to put itself forward as bipartisan force for mutual understanding and acceptance of all faiths, but exactly how far is the modern church going to push this one?
I think this recent rhetoric is just a new way of avoiding the question, 'Is everything else (e.g. Islam, scientology, tufty club) wrong, and is your faith 'correct'.'
It is quite clear that all of the saints completely disregard all other faiths in favour of the 'one true faith', so is it not just a case of the Church saying one thing and then doing/believing another?

When pressed it is amusing how selectively atheist true believers in the 'one true faith' are.
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It is quite clear that all of the saints completely disregard all other faiths in favour of the 'one true faith', so is it not just a case of the Church saying one thing and then doing/believing another?
There is a difference between sticking to your own faith and respecting others. Being cuddly with Muslims isn't an all modern and liberal thing. You can go way back in Church history and find even saints who did that.

But just because I respect somebody who is different doesn't mean that "the one true faith" is wrong. There is no contradiction there.
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There is a difference between sticking to your own faith and respecting others. Being cuddly with Muslims isn't an all modern and liberal thing. You can go way back in Church history and find even saints who did that.

But just because I respect somebody who is different doesn't mean that "the one true faith" is wrong. There is no contradiction there.
But surely the Corollary must follow that neither Islam nor Christianity can both be mutually acceptable, and surely the level of understanding of each others faith is that of believing (at least in some way) that the other is deluded.
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Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I am always amazed to see how a speech becomes double depending of the position of the one doing it.

Don't mock my religion and his spiritual chief but I am going to draw funny picture of Mohammad to mock him. Oh! You muslim, get over it!

I am respecting other people's religion but don't make me sit down with them and have an open discussion, because I am going to take every single worst exemple to prouve to you that your religion is the ''wrong'' one.

And to do so, I'll make sure to have as much desinformation as possible to prouve my point.

But don't mock my beliefs!
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But surely the Corollary must follow that neither Islam nor Christianity can both be mutually acceptable, and surely the level of understanding of each others faith is that of believing (at least in some way) that the other is deluded.
You see, this is wrong. Because in Islam, for exemple, the Christianity and Jewish are both recognised and respected. Islam share the same God, Angels and Saint. For the believers, Islam is the last and final version of the 3 books.

So one religion can definitely accept the other one. Believers are the one having a problem with accepting what is different to their beliefs. And that, my friend, it is a different story.
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