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Old 30.01.2011, 14:37
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Arguing, voting and joining/not joining organisations
Nice addition to the criteria there.

Sure, voting, arguing and joining Amnesty international are all better than doing nothing (actually, in many cases I don't think that's true, but I'll let that go for now). But I still maintain that direct and local action is even better than that.

Anyone can claim to be "against" homophobia, or poverty, or oppression, but how many of us actually act against it?

To give the Roman church credit where credit is due, it has a long and very well documented record of actually getting things done rather than merely talking about it.
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DB surely you are not saying that Amnesty, Médecins sans Frontières and Oxfam have not?

Things are better now perhaps, but it is not very long ago that Churches still asked the sick and the poor to convert before being helped.
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No, I'm not.
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Old 30.01.2011, 18:07
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I swear if we won a million we would donate 10% to the charity. Actually we have been planning it since long and been playing Swisslotto regularly. Unfortunately, the dream doesn't come true - so no donations
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Thanks for the interesting thread - didn't expect it to go on (....and on and on and......) so long!!

Kind of got jump started eh ?
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No, I'm not.
I nearly followed that - I lost it at the fourth negation, I must confess
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GG you've raied some very interesting points and posed challenging questions but your tone does sound (to me at least) as though you have an axe to grind.

So do you care one way or another if another pointless saint is appointed after being associated with one miracle?
I have no axe to grind against the Roman Catholic Church.

I did have a problem with someone claiming that the RC Church is tolerant.

I then subsequently had a problem with both you and DB not actually reading my posts properly and suggesting I was saying things which I wasn't. I was also very disappointed by DB's crap argument which seems to suggest that if people do 'good works' that they're allowed to be intolerant . . . That wasn't at all my point at all . . . I was just saying they weren't tolerant. In addition DB seems to think that I should be doing 'good works' as well before I'm allowed to comment.

In fact, DB's crap comment that I did 'presume a lot', was so content free and snarky that I gave up on this thread and actually laid off EF for a while.

I have a lot of respect for the chap, but I'm deeply unimpressed by his efforts in this thread.

I don't particularly have a big hang up about LBGT rights, but it is a litmus test for tolerance which most religions fail. It's amazing to me that in this day and age some supporters of religion are still prepared to stomach this.

Anyway, I'm off to have dinner at the Dolder tomorrow. That should cheer me up. I will also grin knowing that that kind of food is another thing that DB neither understands nor appreciates.
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In fact, DB's crap comment that I did 'presume a lot', was so content free and snarky

I give up.

Never mind. You have your way of looking at the world, the Papists have theirs, and I have mine.

Enjoy your dinner tomorrow.

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