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Boo hoo, no one likes my magic man *sob* they all have their own *sob* and each one says his is better than mine..
And yet.... You expect us to take you seriously....
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It's time to roll out the all time explanation of religion as it is:

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Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

QED quod erat demonstrandum
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Within the past three weeks, dozens of Christians have been murdered in acts of organised violence in Iraq, Egypt and Nigeria. In Pakistan, Sudan and Indonesia hundreds of thousands more live in fear.
They might all have something to say about the fatuous suggestion that two British hotel owners, Peter and Hazelmary Bull, are also being "persecuted" for their faith. Last month, the Bulls' right to turn gay people away from their hotel was challenged. Thankfully, Bristol county court has found that the couple acted unlawfully.
If the Bulls had a sense of humour, something they don't seem God-blessed with, they might have spotted the irony of spending the Christmas season fighting for the entitlement to turn guests away from their inn.
During passage of the 2006 Equality Act, Stonewall fought hard to secure pioneering "goods and services" protections for lesbian and gay people, protecting them for the first time against discrimination in the delivery of public and commercial services. The preceding legal entitlement to deny gay people a service was every bit as offensive as the notorious signs outside guesthouses that once said: "No blacks. No Irish." And people certainly took advantage of it, as lesbians denied smear tests and gay men refused holiday bookings were well aware.
The Bulls suggest that it's their freedom, and not that of a gay couple, that is compromised by the existing law. But no part of the current and carefully calibrated compact in Britain's equality legislation forces anyone to do anything. However, if a couple choose to turn their home into a commercial enterprise, why should they be any more entitled to exempt themselves from equality legislation than from health and safety laws?
No one should take progress towards a more equal Britain for granted. (It was the leading Lib Dem peer Shirley Williams, after all, who moved a Lords amendment last spring that would have entitled adoption agencies to refuse to place gay teenagers.) But the coalition government has, happily, thus far suggested that it's alive to the danger of compromising when it comes to intolerance.
If you allow businesses or public services to turn away gay people at will on trumped-up grounds of principle, as the Bulls would wish, then our public services will soon have to deal with the Jewish registrar with an ethical objection to marrying out, or a Muslim nurse who doesn't wish to care for an unmarried mother. So the really important message from Bristol county court is simply that the appropriate "balance of rights" for modern Britain is one that keeps private prejudice out of the public space.
The Bulls' shadowy supporter, the Christian Legal Centre, suggests it may turn to the law again. If so, it might reflect that, for the estimated £30,000 this court case has cost it, Oxfam or Save the Children could have vaccinated 100,000 people against meningitis in sub-Saharan Africa. Now that would have been a genuinely Christian way to spend its money.
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And that is one of the problems. All religions ask us to respect them - but they just can't see that this has to be a 2-way system. I am not gay, and I am not religious- but I will live and let live. I do find it much easier to be tolerant of gays, as they are generally very tolerant themselves.

I have to say though, that I DO resent the fact that most religious people believe that I am somehow 'missing and deficient' for being agnostic/humanist- and that I somehow do not have a strong moral framework... and even worst, that I somehow need 'enlightening'.
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I suspect you'll find that most religious people don't actually give a monkey's about any of that.
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Pheeeeeeew DB - what a relief.
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Depends, I can't talk for Jews, but for muslims, it is a fact that Jesus came on earth from the virgin Mary and was one of the biggest figure in all religions, like Ibrahim and Mohammed, he was a prophet.

The only difference is that he isn't the son of God. And I don't think all christian have their beliefs on this one either....
Okay, sorry, I have not read to the end of this thread, yet .. but this one deigns a reply ...

Jesus cannot be called a Prophet, he said he is the Son of God, "and those who have seen Me have seen God" ....... sooooo, he either IS the Son of God, or he was delusional, with the mental capacity of a boiled egg, OR he is who he said he is.

One cannot assume other than what the person stated about himself.
He is either who he is, or he is a lier, and being a lier he therefore cannot be a True Prophet.
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For the Christian part, isn't the protestants who reject the power of the pope? And which branch are rejecting the virginity of Maria again?
Christianity was "taken over" by the Roman Catholics, and incorporated into a massive pagan religion, incorporating ALL the pagan religions of that time.

Roman Catholicism is an amalgamation of ALL the old religions, hence the reasons for the celebration of Easter (Fertility rites), Christmas (Feast of Diana) ..... The Virgin Mary is Isis with her baby son whom she later married ....... and so on and so forth .....

ALL the old books relate the same stories .... the flood of earth, the Son of God, the Virgin Mother ........ All the old time religions bound into one, to capture more "believers".

The basic Protestant religions reject the Pope as their "Holy Father", based on Bible scripture ... "Call no man Father"......and the fact that no living man is capable of "forgiving sins", and has no connection to God except in the same manner as all mankind.
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Okay, sorry, I have not read to the end of this thread, yet .. but this one deigns a reply ...

Jesus cannot be called a Prophet, he said he is the Son of God, "and those who have seen Me have seen God" ....... sooooo, he either IS the Son of God, or he was delusional, with the mental capacity of a boiled egg, OR he is who he said he is.

One cannot assume other than what the person stated about himself.
He is either who he is, or he is a lier, and being a lier he therefore cannot be a True Prophet.
If I come to you and I tell you that I am the Goddess of Sun and my purpose on this planet is to save you all, will you believe me? Will you begin to call me Goddess of Sun because this is the way I called myself?

Now about history, this part is a bit tricky, since we can't prove that Jesus did call himself like that. Some people, years later (even hundred year later) claims to know the story of his life and what happened. He didn't write the book himself, so we can't be sure of what he really did or not. We can only trust what is in the Book.

And we do know that the Book got some changes made on few occasion to fit with the Church's vision...
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Okay, sorry, I have not read to the end of this thread, yet .. but this one deigns a reply ...

Jesus cannot be called a Prophet, he said he is the Son of God, "and those who have seen Me have seen God" ....... sooooo, he either IS the Son of God, or he was delusional, with the mental capacity of a boiled egg, OR he is who he said he is.

One cannot assume other than what the person stated about himself.
He is either who he is, or he is a lier, and being a lier he therefore cannot be a True Prophet.
Interesting that, as a major premise of your argument, you clearly accept the bible as gospel

Just' sayin'...
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Christianity was "taken over" by the Roman Catholics, and incorporated into a massive pagan religion, incorporating ALL the pagan religions of that time.

Roman Catholicism is an amalgamation of ALL the old religions, hence the reasons for the celebration of Easter (Fertility rites), Christmas (Feast of Diana) ..... The Virgin Mary is Isis with her baby son whom she later married ....... and so on and so forth .....

ALL the old books relate the same stories .... the flood of earth, the Son of God, the Virgin Mother ........ All the old time religions bound into one, to capture more "believers".

The basic Protestant religions reject the Pope as their "Holy Father", based on Bible scripture ... "Call no man Father"......and the fact that no living man is capable of "forgiving sins", and has no connection to God except in the same manner as all mankind.
About "Christianity was "taken over" by the Roman Catholics"
I think you could run into controvery with the Greek (Eastern) Orthodox who think they have as large a claim to lead Christianity as the Roman (West) Catholics and woud not regard themselves as "taken over".
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Interesting that, as a major premise of your argument, you clearly accept the bible as gospel

Just' sayin'...
Nein, but ..... that is the only real reference we have about Christ and Christianity.
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If I come to you and I tell you that I am the Goddess of Sun and my purpose on this planet is to save you all, will you believe me? Will you begin to call me Goddess of Sun because this is the way I called myself?

Now about history, this part is a bit tricky, since we can't prove that Jesus did call himself like that. Some people, years later (even hundred year later) claims to know the story of his life and what happened. He didn't write the book himself, so we can't be sure of what he really did or not. We can only trust what is in the Book.

And we do know that the Book got some changes made on few occasion to fit with the Church's vision...
Well, darl, if you say you are rhe Goddess of the Sun, then you either are, or you are not.

All anyone knows about Jesus Christ is what is written in the Christian bible.

Many different religions have re-written the Christian Bible. The King James version was the first to be transcribed into english, and it is assumed that it was an authentic translation.

An iteresting bit can be found in the last verse of the last chapter.... concerning translations.
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Interesting that, as a major premise of your argument, you clearly accept the bible as gospel

Just' sayin'...
I read books, I never said I am a devotee of any specific book. Merely commenting on this thread.
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About "Christianity was "taken over" by the Roman Catholics"
I think you could run into controvery with the Greek (Eastern) Orthodox who think they have as large a claim to lead Christianity as the Roman (West) Catholics and woud not regard themselves as "taken over".
All "christian" religions stem from the Roman Catholic church.

If you are interested in the history of religion then read some books on the subject.
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All "christian" religions stem from the Roman Catholic church.

If you are interested in the history of religion then read some books on the subject.
Yes, you should.
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Nein, but ..... that is the only real reference we have about Christ and Christianity.
True, and it still doesn't make Jesus being the son of God. Not more than any of ''us'' that he called being all sons and daughters of God.

He could be a prophete, a true real one and it could be the apostles who called him like that for a bigger effect, or it could be the church who called him like that to make the pagans switch to that religion because the Goddess didn't fit with their image and ideology behind it....

But him not being a Son of God as a part of a trilogy doesn't make him be a lier or a nutcase.
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...and that intelligent posting was for ...?...upping your value to the forum....? ... or what...?
I was merely suggesting that you follow your own advice, after your rather risible suggestion that all modern Christianity derives from the Roman church.
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