Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14.01.2011, 19:31
Leni's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sunny Solothurn
Posts: 942
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 406 Posts
Leni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond repute
Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

The Pope deceased, John Paul II, is to be"fast-tracked" to sainthood (???) because a French nun with Parkinson's disease prayed to him and recovered!!
Hallelujah - praise the Lord!!

Please excuse me if I am somewhat sceptical............

What's your opinion on this?
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Leni for this post:
  #2  
Old 14.01.2011, 19:38
chandler's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: lausanne
Posts: 71
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 27 Times in 15 Posts
chandler has no particular reputation at present
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

my opinion, to be honest, is that i need to start praying
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank chandler for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 14.01.2011, 20:15
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

If it is in the news.... it most be true!

If people believes that Jesus walked on the water, multiply bread and fish and change water in wine, and came back to life, why not believing that praying someone can save / heal them?

It doen't hurt and if it gives someone a sense in life... good for them.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14.01.2011, 20:37
Leni's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sunny Solothurn
Posts: 942
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 406 Posts
Leni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Some people also believe in fairies. How nice.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 14.01.2011, 20:43
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Quote:
View Post
Some people also believe in fairies. How nice.
They don't exist?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 14.01.2011, 20:48
smackerjack's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: U.K/VAUD
Posts: 2,251
Groaned at 14 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 2,708 Times in 1,114 Posts
smackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I believe that he cannot be canonised a Saint until "another miracle"occurs.
He has passed the initial "Beatification" though because of the first miracle.
I am sure that it won't be long till he is canonised though - I have mixed feelings about this...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank smackerjack for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 17.01.2011, 19:48
Leni's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sunny Solothurn
Posts: 942
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 406 Posts
Leni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Apparently, when Popey does his "Urbi et Orbi" thingy, then you don't actually have to be present to get the effects of the blessing.....
Amazing!!
So don't worry if you have to record the whole business, you are still blessed, my son....
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 17.01.2011, 20:03
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I've got a cousin who does long distance Reiki healing - not going to be made into a Saint though!

Leni, I feel the same as you do about the whole thing.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 17.01.2011, 20:14
zymogen's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ...
Posts: 948
Groaned at 9 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 1,082 Times in 454 Posts
zymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Popular actors receive a star on the walk of fame, popular popes are beatified I guess. And JPII was the catholic's super-star. They're just trying to benefit from his enormous popularity even after he has passed away.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 17.01.2011, 21:13
Sky's Avatar
Sky Sky is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere special far away
Posts: 4,322
Groaned at 69 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 7,190 Times in 2,662 Posts
Sky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I'm rather taken aback by the tone of this thread.

If you were debating a fact, with pro's and con's.. it could be interesting.
If you were comparing beliefs or discussing the evolution of a religion throughout the ages, why not ?.. it could be educational.
If you were trying to explain the procedure that leads to beatification and then sainthood, it could be informative.
If you were interested in the meaning of Urbi et Orbi, it could be linguistic and historical

But.... is that what you're doing ?

And by the way "Urbi et Orbi" is a blessing, it's not a thingy. It's a blessing about forgiveness and grace and mercy
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Sky for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 17.01.2011, 21:39
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 1,467
Groaned at 115 Times in 75 Posts
Thanked 1,624 Times in 911 Posts
yacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

That's because it is in fashion and politically correct to do so nowadays. Besides Vatican has a bad press since a couple centuries in the homeland of many EFers.
Try to provoke these same guys to do the same on current tabu topics and suddenly they'll realize that Internet is not really anonymous and that someone could use it against them and they'll not say a word or fight on the "correct" side. But that's the culture which coined "if you can't beat them, join them".
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank yacek for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:01
Sky's Avatar
Sky Sky is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere special far away
Posts: 4,322
Groaned at 69 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 7,190 Times in 2,662 Posts
Sky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I'm not interested in winding anybody up in any way, I absolutely could not be bothered, nor do I care.
Just a little respect for different beliefs would be nice though..
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Sky for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:04
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Quote:
View Post
The Pope deceased, John Paul II, is to be"fast-tracked" to sainthood (???) because a French nun with Parkinson's disease prayed to him and recovered!!
Hallelujah - praise the Lord!!

Please excuse me if I am somewhat sceptical............

What's your opinion on this?
He turned me into a newt
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:18
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Yacek, how do you decide what the 'correct' side is?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:33
Leni's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sunny Solothurn
Posts: 942
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 406 Posts
Leni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Sorry but I have a point of view too, and I am willing to discuss anything you like - no boundaries.
I don't believe in Pope.based fairy tales....sorry about that.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Leni for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:44
Sky's Avatar
Sky Sky is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere special far away
Posts: 4,322
Groaned at 69 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 7,190 Times in 2,662 Posts
Sky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Quote:
View Post
Sorry but I have a point of view too, and I am willing to discuss anything you like - no boundaries.
I don't believe in Pope.based fairy tales....sorry about that.
That's fine, but then perhaps it could be written as a point of view, an opinion ?
Perhaps you didn't intend to write that way but it does come across as a laugh.
It's a faith which some people believe in.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sky for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:48
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Monaco
Posts: 514
Groaned at 61 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 658 Times in 281 Posts
scrambled has a reputation beyond reputescrambled has a reputation beyond reputescrambled has a reputation beyond reputescrambled has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Quote:
View Post
Sorry but I have a point of view too, and I am willing to discuss anything you like - no boundaries.
I don't believe in Pope.based fairy tales....sorry about that.
i personally am not a believer in such things either, but at the same time i keep the smug attitude to myself. your "willingness" to have a discussion is disingenuous because you approach the subject with arrogance and contempt for the other side. you can't really have a civil conversation when your default position regarding another person's BELIEFS is that they're a damned fool for having them, unlike yourself, who has grown past fairy tales.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank scrambled for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 17.01.2011, 22:48
Leni's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sunny Solothurn
Posts: 942
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 406 Posts
Leni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond reputeLeni has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Yes, Sky , I am aware of that and I am sorry if i have offended you.
I didn't mean that.
I am maybe a little bit sceptical here and just wanted to discuss it.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Leni for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 17.01.2011, 23:00
Sky's Avatar
Sky Sky is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere special far away
Posts: 4,322
Groaned at 69 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 7,190 Times in 2,662 Posts
Sky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

Quote:
View Post
Yes, Sky , I am aware of that and I am sorry if i have offended you.
I didn't mean that.
I am maybe a little bit sceptical here and just wanted to discuss it.
Not for me Leni, (though yes I'm Roman Catholic), just in general for the people who have a strong belief in their faith.
I don't believe in saints (happens) or the sanctity of a normal man, but I do believe in the goodness of a blessing and a prayer and the exponential positive energy that is created.
The Urbi et Orbi is a lovely blessing of hope
Honestly, I'll take a true blessing any day
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 18.01.2011, 11:38
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,435 Times in 10,578 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pope on Fast Track to Sainthood

I am not even a believer, so I am not sure if my opinion counts, but I have been translating catholic poets, catholic faith interests me and a good religious debate too, respek, people! Where is the love.

I say, make him a saint. I have admiration and respect for that man. He was educated and caring, the personal letters my grandpa kept, that were from JPII to a no-name philosopher, country school principal and beekeeper stuck in Czech commie mountains, were interesting. Gave him hope and to the whole village, when faith was illegal and people being executed. Anyone doing that should be made saint.

I think it is too easy to be cool and shoot people's faith down. I think I would rather participate in shooting down Greenpeace, fruitarians and freedom fighters, but that wouldn't be too cool either.
__________________
"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pope Visiting the UK - What would YOU yell at him? PlantHead International affairs/politics 29 25.02.2011 10:55
'Arrest The Pope' cries Richard Dawkins Castro International affairs/politics 127 14.04.2010 17:27
Pope stands firm against condoms in... Africa Russkov International affairs/politics 6 18.03.2009 15:41
Track in Bern? runner0579 Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 4 06.01.2009 11:23


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:36.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0