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Old 30.07.2007, 22:09
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Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

Moving on from the minarettes which seems to be getting a bit awry & out of shape, I felt it would be more interesting to look at European enlargement as a whole, not just bang on about Turkey.
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

I meant to vote no but clicked the wrong button. The EU is enlarging too quickly. Needs to be at a more measured pace.
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Old 30.07.2007, 22:51
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

No, they should have concentrated on dealing with the many problems facing the EU before enlarging it.
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

I'd vote for a period of consolidation before adding any new members. Nothing to do with prospective member states, more that some housekeeping needs to be done. Even then, I don't mean by way of a constitution...
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Old 30.07.2007, 23:15
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I'd vote for a period of consolidation before adding any new members. Nothing to do with prospective member states, more that some housekeeping needs to be done. Even then, I don't mean by way of a constitution...
back to representative xenophobia dressed up as referendums ..
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Yes, dear friends. The EU was created to host all the European nations. For the first time in History we can feel as a family of nations and cultures. I voted yes, of course. Very interesting discussion. Martin
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

How do you mean? I meant focussing a bit of time and energy onto sorting out things like CAP, getting the accounts sorted and making sure everything's settled with the new members before taking on more.
Doesn't sound fair on the prospective members, but for each new state, it adds more complexity and makes it harder to sort out old problems.
A Croatian friend of mine was quite bitter about the delay in getting Croatia into the EU as many croats felt that they were being punished for the war in the Balkans, while Slovenia was allowed in because they didn't have to do any fighting and weren't involved in the war (apart from shooting at two border guards...). I can see why the frustration, but surely we need to get some of the problems fixed first?
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..............I can see why the frustration, but surely we need to get some of the problems fixed first?

I did not say it should happen tomorrow, dear Colonelboris. I am aware that there are problems that we must solve before completing the enlargement (i.e with Turkey, Albania, etcetera).
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I am aware that there are problems that we must solve before completing the enlargement (i.e with Turkey, Albania, etcetera).
and your view of the perceived problems etcetra ?
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

Hello There,

Dont you think it is only a polemic fulfilling our newspapers but nothing concrete is happening for the Turkish membership. I dont wanna defend a country where I live for the moment and where I dont feel local. Sure, they have so many things to improve.
What kind of enlargement criteria EU wants ? economic? certainly not, compare the new added members economy to Turkish economy !!!
Accepting Turkey can only bring positive things for both sides.

Hoping that will happen soon.

Bye.

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Old 14.03.2008, 14:45
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

Thanks for resurrecting this ..... am only glad Cynik didn't beat you to it.

Was talking with an ex-colleague of Balkan origins the other day, his take is the the EU will accelerate Serbian entry talks if Kosovo is recognised by Serbia & Russia.

Extreme to say the least.
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Was talking with an ex-colleague of Balkan origins the other day, his take is the the EU will accelerate Serbian entry talks if Kosovo is recognised by Serbia & Russia.

Extreme to say the least.
Why is it extreme? You are saying Serbia's entry chances won't increase if they recognize Kosovo?

As far as Turkey is concerned it has long way to go before it could become part of EU. Starting with lot more freedom of speech and less religion in politics.
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Old 14.03.2008, 15:08
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Why is it extreme? You are saying Serbia's entry chances won't increase if they recognize Kosovo?

As far as Turkey is concerned it has long way to go before it could become part of EU. Starting with lot more freedom of speech and less religion in politics.

Not in the short term ... look at the way Croatia has been treated to date.

Granted, but I don't think they were any better in either Greece or Spain when they acceeded ? Prepared to be corrected on that by anyone with direct experience.

The point with Turkey, in my opinion is that they have to buy into change, not be played with on a carrot & stick mentality, which is what has been happening to date.

Religion in Turkish politics is well over played, purely down to the president being a practicing Muslim & his wife still wearing a headscarf. Turkey is & will remain a secular state, geopolitically, they cannot afford to do anything else. In real terms, they have burnt their bridges with the Arab world & have to look West to the future. Rock & a hard place of their own making.
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

I think it's a lovely idea in theory, but the reality is not so ideal.

How can it truly work when we have countries like Germany that blame the Reunion with East Germany for their financial problems? How can decisions made in Belgium be truly relevant to a farmer in a Balkan state? Why should countries that do well pay for those who, in some cases due to corruption and disorganisation, are doing badly? What benefit is there in making some traditions illegal because they are in conflict with the many health and safety regulations?

And above all, I don't want to buy apples in bags labelled with "Red Apple, 60 to 70 mm in size". This may seem petty but isn't that taking standardisation too far? Plus, how is this going to go down with countries who are having trouble providing everyone with apples in the first place?

So expanding even further when those already in the EU are having issues is not sensible in my opinion. And I really wish the EU would stop trying to blackmail a certain small country to play by it's rules. Ne touchez pas à mon cervelat!
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Old 14.03.2008, 15:11
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I think it's a lovely idea in theory, but the reality is not so ideal.

How can it truly work when we have countries like Germany that blame the Reunion with East Germany for their financial problems? How can decisions made in Belgium be truly relevant to a farmer in a Balkan state? Why should countries that do well pay for those who, in some cases due to corruption and disorganisation, are doing badly? What benefit is there in making some traditions illegal because they are in conflict with the many health and safety regulations?

And above all, I don't want to buy apples in bags labelled with "Red Apple, 60 to 70 mm in size". This may seem petty but isn't that taking standardisation too far? Plus, how is this going to go down with countries who are having trouble providing everyone with apples in the first place?

So expanding even further when those already in the EU are having issues is not sensible in my opinion. And I really wish the EU would stop trying to blackmail a certain small country to play by it's rules. Ne touchez pas à mon cervelat!
ahhhh Kittster, I think your apples are safe. To make things clear, this thread wasn't set up to talk about Switzerland joining the EU, there is one for that already, hence why it was posted in International Affairs.

frankly, I find your Cervelat quite disturbing ...
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Re: Do you agree with Enlargement of the European Union

Yes, yes, I know, but the weird and wonderful rules would apply to those countries too and the Cervelat issue is just a typical example of how, well, disturbing to "national heritage" they can be.

I guess it also doesn't sit very well with the Hartz Vier (sp?) recipients in Germany to know that vast sums of money are being paid to the less fortunate countries by the state when they definitely have troubles at home.
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Not in the short term ... look at the way Croatia has been treated to date.
Put it this way Serbia ain't coming in short term or long term if they don't recognize Kosovo


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The point with Turkey, in my opinion is that they have to buy into change, not be played with on a carrot & stick mentality, which is what has been happening to date.

Religion in Turkish politics is well over played, purely down to the president being a practicing Muslim & his wife still wearing a headscarf. Turkey is & will remain a secular state, geopolitically, they cannot afford to do anything else. In real terms, they have burnt their bridges with the Arab world & have to look West to the future. Rock & a hard place of their own making.
Plenty of decent Turks in Turkey but one has to be naive to not realize that there is also a sizable section that does not believe in EU's secular ideals.

Let's agree to disagree.
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Plenty of decent Turks in Turkey but one has to be naive to not realize that there is also a sizable section that does not believe in EU's secular ideals.
Actually I believe that section you're talking about would much rather enjoy EU's religious tolerance as opposed to the Turkish army's stiff collar, but never mind.

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Actually I believe that section you're talking about would much rather enjoy EU's religious tolerance as opposed to the Turkish army's stiff collar, but never mind.
Well even more reason to keep the religious section out Let in the Turks who took part in pro secular demos.


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