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Old 25.01.2011, 15:19
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Re: Proud of the UK: No trust in the EU

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Regarding immigrants taking all the benefits, it's something I hear a lot of, but have never seen figures that show immigrants taking all the benefits, perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, could you point some out?
I'd love to see those, too. A friend of mine works with refugees here, they get virtually nothing, which can be taken away at a whim.

Not that benefits are enough to live on, either, even if you're not a refugee.
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I am proud to be British (and I am Scottish!). We live here now so our kids can grow up in a stable, safe environment and have a future, I doubt that I can provide that if I brought them up in London sadly. The UK is going down the toilet, too many people coming in and not contributing to the system but getting benefits etc. Britain was a huge power with the Empire, survived two world wars because the British are made of strong stuff, a culture that was built on honesty and integrity has been hyjacked by the benefit culture and immigration overload. Little wonder the economy is slipping, old folks will go hungry having paid their taxes all their lives but there are hand-outs to all and sundry. I think that being part of the EU for Britain will not help make things better. David Cameron should look more at Switzerland and see that being separate had huge benefits, giving more control to the electorate and overall keeping Britain British should be his mantra! better than being in the EU. If the UK can ever sort out the problems of benefits and immigration then it may have a future but I fear that ship has already sailed.
I thought I would have become used to sinister right wing nationalist undertones by now, but nope, they still shock lol.
The biggest coup the upper classes and the elite have ever managed to pull off is to convince the 'hoi-poly' that the tax evading über rich that own 98% of the land and wealth aren't to blame for the countries problems, it’s Jonny foreigner! Because that £45 a week the single mother with three kids next door is given by the state every week is bleeding the coffers dry, not the £45 billion in the channel islands account with 'HRH' inscribed on the golden plaque!
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Old 25.01.2011, 15:49
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Maybe, on the other hand, AmandaJ is (at least partially) correct. Given that the Royal family are effectively German, and hence immigrants and do live on state hand outs and housing. They give any one a council house these days...
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Why is it, then, that all the lazy, antisocial, spliff-smoking, thieving criminal underclass types that I see on my (ever more infrequent) trips back to the United Kingdom are all white and indigenous?

Could it be that it is actually the British who are the problem, rather than the hard-working, under-appreciated immigrants who actually keep the country running, from cleaning hospitals to picking cabbages to preparing ready meals to managing football clubs?

Expel the lazy natives, replace them with Albanians with ambition, and the country will be back on its feet in no time!
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Old 25.01.2011, 16:38
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...David Cameron should look more at Switzerland...
Maybe, but Switzerland, for all its faults has a population that has quite a high work ethic - albeit only between 0800-1700 hrs during weekdays and until lunch on Saturday.

As a side note, I left the UK and am staying here for pretty much the same reasons as you Amanda, but, as with DB, my experience in the UK of lazy tossers on governement benefits and wanting everything for free, is mainly of the pasty white-skinned variety, who moan about empire days and immigrant scroun... hang on a mo', what was your post saying again?

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Am I the only person who is tickled at the thought of immigrants to Switzerland complaining about, er, immigration?
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Old 25.01.2011, 16:45
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Am I the only person who is tickled at the thought of immigrants to Switzerland complaining about, er, immigration?
Certainly brings a new twist to the term "migrant refugees"...
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Old 25.01.2011, 16:54
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Maybe, on the other hand, AmandaJ is (at least partially) correct. Given that the Royal family are effectively German, and hence immigrants and do live on state hand outs and housing. They give any one a council house these days...
Weren't you just complaining about right wing sentiment and then you say that the monarchy is German, the last Royal to be born in Germany was King George I..and Germany didn't technically exist.
If I said, a third generation Irish immigrant was a Paddy, you would be calling me a right wing fascist...but saying a x generation family is German is alright?

Also everything else you wrote is wrong that chip is looking mighty precarious.
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Re: Proud of the UK: No trust in the EU

I can't work out how to thank someone for a post, or I would thank the last two posters, but speaking as a British immigrant to Switzerland, who grew up as an immigrant in Brussels, has a hard-working Romanian immigrant (in Britain) for a brother-in-law ,and has lived and worked as an immigrant in Denmark and Spain, I quite like a) immigrants and b) the freedom of movement afforded to us by the EU/EEA.

The EU has loads of problems, sure - languages being only one of them, and as an interpreter I've had first-hand experience of that - but it has at least helped to ensure peace in Europe. (Now if it could just ensure non-participation in wars of debatable legality elsewhere... but that's a whole other can of worms) With the right sort of reforms and more emphasis put on the principle of subsidiarity, it can still be a force for more good than evil.
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Re: Proud of the UK: No trust in the EU

sorry, I didn't mean the last two posts but the last two-but-one. If that makes any sense.
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Old 25.01.2011, 17:03
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sorry, I didn't mean the last two posts but the last two-but-one. If that makes any sense.

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Old 25.01.2011, 17:10
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Re: Proud of the UK: No trust in the EU

Show me a country that trusts its government and I'll point out the rigged survey. Good folk have been blaming everyone else other than themselves since the dawn of time. Whether its the EU, a national government, the church or your local tennis club, they're all in our firing line, because we seem to have forgotten how to take responsibility for our own decisions and actions.
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Old 25.01.2011, 17:18
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Show me a country that trusts its government and I'll point out the rigged survey. Good folk have been blaming everyone else other than themselves since the dawn of time. Whether its the EU, a national government, the church or your local tennis club, they're all in our firing line, because we seem to have forgotten how to take responsibility for our own decisions and actions.
Yeah! I personally blame you.

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Old 25.01.2011, 17:21
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Re: Proud of the UK: No trust in the EU

Nothing against self-determined countries that choose to allow or forbid immigration. It's up to them. I am not a fan of multiculturalism in the West though, just a matter of taste, I prefer freer cultures. A pity if this becomes Eurabia. In this sense, I would favour a policy of filtered immigration based on cultural assimilation likeliness, urbanism and skillset and not on the stupid concept of getting people from abroad to clean the streets and pick tomatoes (as if Europe would need to farm!).

Immigration-wise, Europe has not much of an option: For the last few decades, Europeans have had not enough of heterosexual, unprotected and uncontraceptivated sex.
Shame on them. Perfect, selfish suicide.

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Old 25.01.2011, 17:39
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Immigration-wise, Europe has not much of an option: For the last few decades, Europeans have had not enough of heterosexual, unprotected and uncontraceptivated sex.
Shame on them. Perfect, selfish suicide.

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Got many kids yourself?
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The UK is fecked a country run by millionaires and tax dodgers for their pals regardless of the party.

People in the UK have lived far too long beyond their means, 2011 is going to be a very interesting year as they bail out the banks, Ireland etc.

This is while education and health is now fastly becoming a x2 tier system.

Immigration has zero to do with it.

The government no longer serves the majority of the people in the UK, if that was the case they would have laid waste to the banking industry, taxed the hell out of the bonuses and clamped down on tax evasion.

Time and time again they have backed corporations over the nations interests, probably a nice board job to sweeten the deal after their time as MP.

Banking creates nothing but fake wealth, if you don't get this concept look at Germany who are now bailing out 1/2 of Europe without a real banking industry (in comparison to London) with a large manafacturing base. Manafacturing is the only true wealth creation.

Eventually it must collapse due to the large division between physical reserves and lending, so only a matter of time before the next banking crisis, by then 1/2 of the fake money will be in the tax havens supporting a minority of people.

The best thing the UK can do is reinvest in manafacturing, remove the bankers and hound the hell out of corporate and personal tax avoidance. Then start buying gold to back the currency.

The EU socially at least protects it's people but has too many burocrats at the centre. Concept is sound application is another matter.

I reiterate the UK is a hell hole and I should know I left it 2 weeks ago!

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Weren't you just complaining about right wing sentiment and then you say that the monarchy is German, the last Royal to be born in Germany was King George I..and Germany didn't technically exist.
If I said, a third generation Irish immigrant was a Paddy, you would be calling me a right wing fascist...but saying a x generation family is German is alright?

Also everything else you wrote is wrong that chip is looking mighty precarious.
I never tire of your platitudes - oh wait no, I do.
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Uhmm, so if I am reading you correctly all those problems you quoted here for Britain are because of the immigrants?
You're damn right it is!

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Show me a country that trusts its government and I'll point out the rigged survey. Good folk have been blaming everyone else other than themselves since the dawn of time. Whether its the EU, a national government, the church or your local tennis club, they're all in our firing line, because we seem to have forgotten how to take responsibility for our own decisions and actions.
It's also going to require something radical to remove these people, not saying burn the country down but these people are not going to give up their positions of power easily.

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The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as 'international bankers.' This little coterie... run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...[and] seizes...our executive officers... legislative bodies... schools... courts... newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.

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I am proud to be British (and I am Scottish!).
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David Cameron should look more at Switzerland
So he should look to a country somewhat smaller than Scotland, with a population somewhat larger than Scotland's, to see how to run the UK - a country some 6 times the size of Switzerland, and 8 times more populous?

Alternatively, we could put the size of Switzerland's economy into some perspective, and have Mr Cameron go talk to the Governor of New Jersey State instead.

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