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So even though a party has terrorist tendencies, you still see it as democratic ?

Anyway, I'd hardly call 'a revolution' what's happeninig in Egypt...a pathetic attempt maybe !
I'm no supporter of MB as I believe in free politics with no religion tendencies but I would like to politely point out that the western nations for decades have elected and supported govts who have lied, killed, occupied, invaded and torn apart other nations, wouldn't this be classified as mass terrorism?

Let's not start this again, Egypt and Egyptian ain't no terrorists nor supporting terrorism, they are just asking to live and be treated as human beings, END OF.
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I'm no supporter of MB as I believe in free politics with no religion tendencies but I would like to politely point out that the western nations for decades have elected and supported govts who have lied, killed, occupied, invaded and torn apart other nations, wouldn't this be classified as mass terrorism?

Let's not start this again, Egypt and Egyptian ain't no terrorists nor supporting terrorism, they are just asking to live and be treated as human beings, END OF.
The MB is the most organized opposition party in Egypt. It already murdered one Egyptian president and was not shy when it came to violence on other occasions. they are very likely to win free elections - and if they do it will be the last free elections Egypt will see for a very long time.

Islamists had plenty of chances to show how well they can run a country - in Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Gaza, they were extremely murderous in Algeria. Hoping that they will improve Egypt & Egyptian's situation is not backed by experience.

What did you mean by the Egyptian people "not letting down" an elected Egyptian leader ?
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The MB is the most organized opposition party in Egypt. It already murdered one Egyptian president and was not shy when it came to violence on other occasions. they are very likely to win free elections - and if they do it will be the last free elections Egypt will see for a very long time.

Islamists had plenty of chances to show how well they can run a country - in Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Gaza, they were extremely murderous in Algeria. Hoping that they will improve Egypt & Egyptian's situation is not backed by experience.

What did you mean by the Egyptian people "not letting down" an elected Egyptian leader ?
Egyptians have so much passion about their country and would do anything to make it the best, 30 years of oppression might have blocked that but now it's all coming back, the sense of nationalism is all in the air of Egypt now.

Citizens would do anything wether it's working, cleaning, supporting, building to get Egypt back on its top form....believe me there's no limits to the support this nation would offer if they get their demands, once they stabilize the internal situation, Egypt won't have any problem coming back strong on the global front.
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Egyptians have so much passion about their country and would do anything to make it the best, 30 years of oppression might have blocked that but now it's all coming back, the sense of nationalism is all in the air of Egypt now.

Citizens would do anything wether it's working, cleaning, supporting, building to get Egypt back on its top form....believe me there's no limits to the support this nation would offer if they get their demands, once they stabilize the internal situation, Egypt won't have any problem coming back strong on the global front.
I hope and pray that Egyptian enthusiasm will make up for the lack of experience.

Egypt is crucial to the middle east - if Egypt takes the path of peaceful development it will help all it's neighbours and hasten democartisation in the arab world.
If it takes that path of nationalism (Nasser style) it will have a very negative impact.

Egypt can now choose to be a middle eastern Korea. Whether north or south remains to be seen.
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Newspapers are quoting an Egyptian army statement that they will not shoot at civilians.
Very strong statement if true.
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Museums and culture destroyed

While I sympathise with those who wish to have freedom from oppression etc. in the Middle East, I am saddened by the systematic "trashing" of their own cultural heritage at museums - human sacrifice is far worse, of course, but I find this active ransacking completely pointless and ultimately self-destructive of their own collective future.
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While I sympathise with those who wish to have freedom from oppression etc. in the Middle East, I am saddened by the systematic "trashing" of their own cultural heritage at museums - human sacrifice is far worse, of course, but I find this active ransacking completely pointless and ultimately self-destructive of their own collective future.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the looting and general chaos is 'in part' attributable to the government. Clearly this will backfire and hasten the incumbent's exit.
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Interesting activities going on in Syria as well. A "day of anger" in Syria set for the 5 February.
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Newspapers are quoting an Egyptian army statement that they will not shoot at civilians.
Very strong statement if true.
This is true, been broadcasted on national T.V by General of the army.

Mubarak is losing his ground fast against the people, he could have resigned in peace, now people are demanding his arrest and execution.....he just started something he will not be able to finish.
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Old 31.01.2011, 21:21
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Interesting activities going on in Syria as well. A "day of anger" in Syria set for the 5 February.
Here's the upcoming plan of protests:

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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the looting and general chaos is 'in part' attributable to the government. Clearly this will backfire and hasten the incumbent's exit.
Army officials confirmed this, HRW confirmed security forces letting prisons open to let prisoners escape....it's all a plan of Mubarak to generate fear and crack the society so he can rule, it's a very old tactic in war where armies create rumors to destabilize enemy troops and win.

Now he's starting another tactic by forcing long curfew and reduce supplies of food, fuel,..etc including money flow, he just want citizens to beg for help and mercy....he doesn't know this will lead to his death one way or another, nothing is worst than a hungary hopeless oppressed poor
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Update: VP Suleiman announcing govt' willing to negotiate, i guess it's too late ....Million March has already been roll called for, 1 February looking to be Egypt's Liberation Day of Mubarak's regime
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Just In - CNN Reported:

Amre Moussa, head of the Arab League, called Monday for a peaceful transition in Egypt, "from an era to the other," the AFP news agency reported.
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The Muslim brother hood is in secret negotiations with the army for a transition of power. If the Muslim Brotherhood are treated as a radical group, they will fall into the hands of radicals. The radicals are waiting for such an opportunity. The Muslim Brotherhood must at the beginning be made to share their power with other groups, if they truly wish to be seen as democratic. It is hopeless to try to ignore the fact that the Middle-East is predominantly Muslim- you must include it, sideline it at your peril.
However, the majority of Muslims that I meet are very reasonable people, they want democracy not a theocracy; their religion is for the most part private and personal, but a central part of the culture. take away the Muslim element and you risk alienating people from their own culture, they will stand up for their rights. Then other external forces may help them enforce them those rights.

It is the policy of many to focus on radicals, to keep the people of the Middle-East at each other's throats while they steal the oil, land or other resources. The Egyptians so far are handling this very well, even though the majority of them are under the age of 30

That is why I think that El Baradei is a good choice- he knows how to handle this transition. He knows how to handle the Iranians, and the US. However, surely eventually the honor of ruling must go to someone who is from the young generation- those putting heir lives at risk, advised temporarily by those of the previous generation. The young in Egypt are educated, they have the passion and energy to carry this forward. They are at their peak mentally and physically to learn and they will endure, they have not fallen into traps so far. They should be the ones to decide their future, with the knowledge that they are deciding the future for the whole of the Middle-East.

Amr Moussa, El Baradei are just caretakers, there to protect the young but necessary. The young should use them.
personally I find Amr Moussa too careful to protect his own interests, which doesn't sound good, but maybe I am just listening to a biased press.
In any case he has knowledge and the young must use him and El Baradei, but control them., ensure that they have Egyptian democracy at heart. Don't let the revolution be taken away from the young.
I do get emotional about it, but everyone has to keep their emotions in check, lest they be abused by others and fall for the false authorities.

It is your country but so many of us are watching, wishing you success for the whole of the Arab region and the world as a whole.
Well Done Egyptians!
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For democratic revolution to be really effective in arabic countries there are 2 conditions to be met (after mmodification of constitution):
- no legal party can claim to be religious (muslim, christian, jewish, what ever)
- proportional representation should be mandatory for parliamentary elections
And how do you call this "Democracy"??

This is exactly what is in place now but with different conditions.
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And how do you call this "Democracy"??

This is exactly what is in place now but with different conditions.
Let us know what you see as the best solution- you seems to give a lot of criticism and not much constructive comment. It is easy to criticize; I should know I'm very good at it.
If you know of something better let us know, we need to hear your full opinion.

In the meantime Muburak is hiding his assets, money that belongs to Egypt and needs to be seized
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Let us know what you see as the best solution- you seems to give a lot of criticism and not much constructive comment. It is easy to criticize; I should know I'm very good at it.
If you know of something better let us know, we need to hear your full opinion
The best solution for who? Egyptians? then full Democracy like the one you enjoy.
Why do you want to put conditions on people that you do not accept in your own country?
Why don't other countries respect peoples' free choice when they get the opportunity to do so?

I am criticising double standard that put Egypt and many other countries around the world in this situation. It is sickening enough listening to those leaders saying loudly in TV "We support the choice of the Egyption people" and whispering in the backstage "Except if they chose XYZ....."
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In the meantime Muburak is hiding his assets, money that belongs to Egypt and needs to be seized
I have already sent a letter today to the European Council including information that might be useful to prove public funds smuggling out of Egypt involving a leading investment company in Egypt and other companies located abroad (Suspected Region) that is owned the Egyptian company Directors and both Mubarak sons.

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I am criticising double standard that put Egypt and many other countries around the world in this situation. It is sickening enough listening to those leaders saying loudly in TV "We support the choice of the Egyption people" and whispering in the backstage "Except if they chose XYZ....."
The main target of this revolution is to offer unrestricted freedom to the basic Egyptian citizen to choose whatever and whomever he wants with no pressure nor limitations in the first place, which i believe will result in better life for all Egyptian society later on
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The MB is the most organized opposition party in Egypt. It already murdered one Egyptian president and was not shy when it came to violence on other occasions. they are very likely to win free elections - and if they do it will be the last free elections Egypt will see for a very long time.

Islamists had plenty of chances to show how well they can run a country - in Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Gaza, they were extremely murderous in Algeria. Hoping that they will improve Egypt & Egyptian's situation is not backed by experience.

What did you mean by the Egyptian people "not letting down" an elected Egyptian leader ?
The MB is NOT likely to win elections in Egypt. This is one side. That they also murdered two Prime Ministers of the Kingdom of Egypt is another side. Cairo-Imbaba for years was governed by the MB, while the neighbouring borroughs were NOT. And the difference was very easy to spot.
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