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Old 26.01.2011, 20:43
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By "many will be missing this regime" you are talking about western countries (US, Europe) who are supporting Mubarak? I don't think the egyptian people will miss him.
The risk of radical islamists is low; the people are asking for more freedom mainly not for more religion. It could be that islamism is more in the fantasy of western countries in this case.

Good test for the government will be Friday after the prayer.
I really hope you are right.
I am aware of places like trash town in suburb of Cairo which 100 thousands live on trashes of the city and are quite a fan of radicals.
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The Mid-East is on a roll wow! Keep going
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Youth activists, Islamists, workers and football fans to hold rallies and marches against Mubarak government. If you are on Twitter you can follow on #JAN25, that's where it's happening.
Just to have it mentioned, all media-chaps there agree that the Islamists do NOT play a major role in the whole upheaval. So that you ought abstain from trying to make the Islamists the centerpiece of what goes on as they clearly are not.
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Rumors abound that Jamal (Jimmy) Mubarak - the persident's son and (former?) likely candidate to inherit the presidency fled to London.

Unless the Egyptian regime proves that this is rumor is false the demostrations will grow.

These demonstrations are without precedent in Egypt - no one predicted them before Tunisia. it could be that we are seeing a new political phenomena in the arab world.

Whether it is the 1917 or 1989 of the Arabs is the big question.
A) the big difference to Tunisia is that in Tunisia, the BenAli-family clan was a central thing in the general uprising, while in Egypt, the Mubarak family is just the symbol of a bizarre and frozen system which has only minimally changed since 1952/54
B) there was/is no reason for Gamal (it is G as in garden and not J as in Jew as it is Egyptian Arabic) Mubarak to flee anywhere. The presidential palace is in Heliopolis anyway, so what !
C) nice and important is that the main part of the Arab World gets a bit moving. The final results may not be an ideal world but I hope that some things will really improve
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Old 27.01.2011, 00:22
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Many analysts (good or bad) compare it to what happend in 1968 in europe with youth requesting more freedom, rights, etc....
Time will tell, but there is no way back from what I see. Other regimes in the area should already pack to Saudi Arabia.
all nice but why to Saudi Arabia ??? Most will pack to London and Paris
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Just to have it mentioned, all media-chaps there agree that the Islamists do NOT play a major role in the whole upheaval. So that you ought abstain from trying to make the Islamists the centerpiece of what goes on as they clearly are not.
They are in the opposition and as all other parties, they are also participating in the demonstration. Playing the blind and saying they are not there won't help. As i stated in a previous post, the youth is claiming more freedom and rights, not religion.

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all nice but why to Saudi Arabia ??? Most will pack to London and Paris
Because it's the only country that accepted him & his family. France with its almost 1million tunisian immigrants did not want to have riots on its territory. Apparently benAli has many real estate assets in France, now seized by justice.
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Conspiracy is history for idiots.

The muslim brothers seem to be playing this right - keeping quiet.
If the demos fail - no excuse for the government to crack down, if they succeed - they will demand to be part of the new regime.
They demanded to do so already back in the 1950ies ..................
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They are in the opposition and as all other parties, they are also participating in the demonstration. Playing the blind and saying they are not there won't help. As i stated in a previous post, the youth is claiming more freedom and rights, not religion.



Because it's the only country that accepted him & his family. France with its almost 1million tunisian immigrants did not want to have riots on its territory. Apparently benAli has many real estate assets in France, now seized by justice.
France would have taken him for sure. But he feared the exTunisian community in France. But you can be sure that he will be out of the KSA within a few months, and I expect him to finally settle down somewhere in France nevertheless. The "search-demand" against BenAli issued by the present authorities in Tunis is not least to make that move a bit more difficult, but do not forget that Ben Ali is a man educated by the Deuxième Bureau General Mubarak, after his education in the Moscow General Academy for a while acted as a Soviet Brigadier, so it is rather Moscow he will go to, OR Cardiff/Wales, the home of his wife, Mrs Suzanne Mubarak !
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Old 27.01.2011, 00:40
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France would have taken him for sure. But he feared the exTunisian community in France. But you can be sure that he will be out of the KSA within a few months, and I expect him to finally settle down somewhere in France nevertheless. The "search-demand" against BenAli issued by the present authorities in Tunis is not least to make that move a bit more difficult, but do not forget that Ben Ali is a man educated by the Deuxième Bureau General Mubarak, after his education in the Moscow General Academy for a while acted as a Soviet Brigadier, so it is rather Moscow he will go to, OR Cardiff/Wales, the home of his wife, Mrs Suzanne Mubarak !
France already stated that he's not welcome. His daughters had already to leave from France last week.

The big difference between tunisia & egypt will be the role to be played by the army. In the tunisian case it was on the side of the population and pushed Benali to leave the country. In egypt, I think the army is so involved in "business" that they'd rather keep a status quo to protect their own interest.
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They are in the opposition and as all other parties, they are also participating in the demonstration. Playing the blind and saying they are not there won't help. As i stated in a previous post, the youth is claiming more freedom and rights, not religion.



Because it's the only country that accepted him & his family. France with its almost 1million tunisian immigrants did not want to have riots on its territory. Apparently benAli has many real estate assets in France, now seized by justice.
None of the media-chaps say that they are "not there", but all agree that they are neighter "behind" the matter nor on top of it. Their problem in fact rather is that they have profited from the outdated structures of the regime and now have to fear to lose this asset. They lived on the protest mood, but not on the support of the people. And now face the problem that their best bet would be to ally with the ruling regime, in the hope it will survive and then to creep into nice governmental jobs and other baksheesh-positions.
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France already stated that he's not welcome. His daughters had already to leave from France last week.

The big difference between tunisia & egypt will be the role to be played by the army. In the tunisian case it was on the side of the population and pushed Benali to leave the country. In egypt, I think the army is so involved in "business" that they'd rather keep a status quo to protect their own interest.

Ben Ali was NOT in the army but in the Secret Service. Mubarak when becoming president was, up to October 73 commander of the Egyptian Air Force and then until taking the presidency, Chief of Staff of the armed forces of the ARE. And so most likely has the army more or less behind him. He and his generals now however will consider what to do next. To put it in the words of late King Hussein bin Talal who got educated in a college in Alexandria "the Egyptians are very tolerant and patient people, but once they have enough they really have enough and will push changes through". The quote is out of one of his books written in the late 1950ies. And in regard to violence, let me quote out of "Revolt on the Nile" by Anwar Sadat who noted "the glorification of violence gives free course to the lowest instincts of men" and by this, Mr Sadat had the Islamists (the Muslim Brotherhood of Sheikh Ahmed Hassan al-Banna) in his mind.

Back to the BenAli clan. You can be sure that, after the clouds have settled, the whole clan will peacefully settle down on the Côte d'Azur
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Just to have it mentioned, all media-chaps there agree that the Islamists do NOT play a major role in the whole upheaval. So that you ought abstain from trying to make the Islamists the centerpiece of what goes on as they clearly are not.
Just to add, most of the demonstrators were actually young from higher middle class and highly educated rich who refused to see the situation of the country going bad and were totally supporting the poor, which i find very inspiring sense of solidarity.
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It does not matter who makes the revolution, it matters who takes the rule afterward
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El Baradei has just flown in for the Friday after prayers demo.

Is El Baradei Obama's man in Cairo methinks so- good call right at the last minute.

Um, oh yes, what was I told about Gmal being Muburak's successor?

I found this report below thought it was true- apparently not.


Mubarak's son 'flees to London with 100 pieces of luggage' - reports

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/wo...uggage-reports

Maybe Muburak, the Tunisian leader and the Yemeni leader will all be guests in the House of Saud?

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Great constructive post.
I am probably a deconstructionist myself

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_ml...403_index.html

I like El Baradei but his name sounds too much like El Baddie.

Apparently the report of Gmal being in London is propaganda- not true.

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It quotes Osama el-Ghazaly Harb, who had resigned from the ruling National Democratic Party that year, as saying the Party's reform process "was merely a vehicle for Gamal to promote his political career." Ambassador Riccardione writes: "Despite the sniping of many Egyptian opinion-leaders, and a more general public hostility (echoed by many of our contacts) to Gamal's possible presidential succession, there are few other obvious contenders for the post." The cable says that Suzanne Mubarak, Gamal's mother and Hosni's wife, is his principle champion, and has stood in the way of alternatives.
"Her power and influence, many argue, are keys to Gamal's viability. Sources tell us that she has kept Mubarak pere from naming a Vice President," Riccardione writes. At the time, his assessment was that the politicians and powerful businessmen around Gamal were gambling on economic reforms as a platform to creating popular legitimacy. "The way forward for Gamal currently appears open," he wrote.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backc...eed-his-father
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Todays update, govt' blocked social media and tracing all proxies / VPNs we're providing to the people to be able to communicate, SMS been blocked an hour ago and tomorrow ISPs have been ordered to go offline.

I'm totally furious of such stupid acts from an irresponsible govt' who prefer violence rather than communicating with the people
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Todays update, govt' blocked social media and tracing all proxies / VPNs we're providing to the people to be able to communicate, SMS been blocked an hour ago and tomorrow ISPs have been ordered to go offline.

I'm totally furious of such stupid acts from an irresponsible govt' who prefer violence rather than communicating with the people
They'll resume normal service as soon as Muburak is gone and El Baradei safely takes the reins
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They'll resume normal service as soon as Muburak is gone and El Baradei safely takes the reins
But how many will lose their lives and no one will know it or see it tomorrow till this happen
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But how many will lose their lives and no one will know it or see it tomorrow till this happen
The answer is "many", as Mr Mubarak will try to carry through, whatever the outcome
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The answer is "many", as Mr Mubarak will try to carry through, whatever the outcome
The government is doing a great mistake and it will end up in undocumented massacre tomorrow, now me and other Egyptians around the globe are helping reporting to international media and human rights organizations as much as we can, i have setup a twitter account if someone wants to follow the situation, it's basically to transmit as much information incl. videos and photos, i hope this would help as much as possible.
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