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Old 11.02.2011, 00:49
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De Jure head of state - Muburak. De facto head of state Suleiman. says Sameh Shoukry Egyptian US Ambassador to US.

Suleiman is in charge of Military- as long as Muburak allows him. Leon Panetta, told Congress today that Muburak will step down. A top Egyptian military commander told the protesters in the square earlier today that all their demands would be met and the crowd cheered.

The ability to dissolve parliament is in the hands of no-one. Suleiman has the ablity to end the state for emergency and that that is now underway.
Wolf Blitzer asked-Can Muburak take back the power from Suleiman? Shoukry says he doesn't know without seeing the constitution. Shoukry added:

The Egyptian people have the right to demonstrate under the protection of the government and military. The people will undertake their responsibility to protest peacefully.

Who is Sameh Shoukry trying to fool?

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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

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De Jure head of state - Muburak. De facto head of state Suleiman. says Sameh Shoukry Egyptian US Ambassador to US.

Suleiman is in charge of Military- as long as Muburak allows him. Leon Panetta, told Congress today that Muburak will step down. A top Egyptian military commander told the protesters in the square earlier today that all their demands would be met and the crowd cheered.

The ability to dissolve parliament is in the hands of no-one. Suleiman has the ablity to end the state for emergency and that that is now underway.
Wolf Blitzer asked-Can Muburak take back the power from Suleiman? Shoukry says he doesn't know without seeing the constitution. Shoukry added:

The Egyptian people have the right to demonstrate under the protection of the government and military. The people will undertake their responsibility to protest peacefully.

Who is Sameh Shoukry trying to fool?
If history were to teach us anything, it is that peaceful demonstrations don't always achieve their organizers' main goals. Thunder & lightning are at times needed before we see the rain...
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Old 11.02.2011, 13:06
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

More impressive croud this friday on Tahrir square. There is more and more anger in the crowd.
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Old 11.02.2011, 13:53
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De Jure head of state - Muburak. De facto head of state Suleiman. says Sameh Shoukry Egyptian US Ambassador to US.

Suleiman is in charge of Military- as long as Muburak allows him. Leon Panetta, told Congress today that Muburak will step down. A top Egyptian military commander told the protesters in the square earlier today that all their demands would be met and the crowd cheered.

The ability to dissolve parliament is in the hands of no-one. Suleiman has the ablity to end the state for emergency and that that is now underway.
Wolf Blitzer asked-Can Muburak take back the power from Suleiman? Shoukry says he doesn't know without seeing the constitution. Shoukry added:

The Egyptian people have the right to demonstrate under the protection of the government and military. The people will undertake their responsibility to protest peacefully.

Who is Sameh Shoukry trying to fool?
More & more rumours circulating of growing rifts between different factions in the military. Very hard to foresee how all this might pan out....
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Old 11.02.2011, 15:22
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... Very hard to foresee how all this might pan out....
That's the best part - all the "professional" Egypt watchers who now seem to live in TV & Radio studios will eat a lot of humble pie before this thing is over.

The Army's top echelon is largely with the establishment on this one - they have a lot of Business privileges they are unlikely to surrender without a fight, but the Army is vastly outnumbered.

My guess: it depends on the Army conscripts (very badly treated & paid). If they decide to join the revolution then the revolution has a chance. If they keep doing what they are told (as they have been doing for the last 5 Millennia) - no chance.
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That's the best part - all the "professional" Egypt watchers who now seem to live in TV & Radio studios will eat a lot of humble pie before this thing is over.

The Army's top echelon is largely with the establishment on this one - they have a lot of Business privileges they are unlikely to surrender without a fight, but the Army is vastly outnumbered.

My guess: it depends on the Army conscripts (very badly treated & paid). If they decide to join the revolution then the revolution has a chance. If they keep doing what they are told (as they have been doing for the last 5 Millennia) - no chance.
Also interesting to see what the Army's middle & top echelons will do, I assume they are not senior enough to have their noses in the trough so may well support the protestors in the short term. Longer term they may want to build their own trough which would be a pity....
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Old 11.02.2011, 16:39
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Here we go again- 'Urgent message coming shortly' from the President's office. Muburak has gone to Sharm el Sheikh.

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Update at 9:14 am. ET:The Associated Press quotes a local official in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh as confirming that President Mubarak is there.
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De Jure head of state - Muburak. De facto head of state Suleiman. says Sameh Shoukry Egyptian US Ambassador to US.

Suleiman is in charge of Military- as long as Muburak allows him. Leon Panetta, told Congress today that Muburak will step down. A top Egyptian military commander told the protesters in the square earlier today that all their demands would be met and the crowd cheered.

The ability to dissolve parliament is in the hands of no-one. Suleiman has the ablity to end the state for emergency and that that is now underway.
Wolf Blitzer asked-Can Muburak take back the power from Suleiman? Shoukry says he doesn't know without seeing the constitution. Shoukry added:

The Egyptian people have the right to demonstrate under the protection of the government and military. The people will undertake their responsibility to protest peacefully.

Who is Sameh Shoukry trying to fool?
Why do you conclude that Mr Shoukry tries to fool anybody ?
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- Theoretically, Hosni Mubarak could take power back from Mr Suleiman, but in reality NOT without the support of the leadership of the armed forces
- Yes, according to the Egpytian constitution, people HAVE to right to demonstrate, WITH the protection of police and military forces
- Yes, people will continue to protest peacefully

Hosni Mubarak is borne in 1928 and so in 1952 was 24 years old, just a decade younger than Messrs Anwar Sadat, Gamal Abdel Nasr, Zakarya Mohieddeen, Khaled Mohieddeen, etc . He in 1973 and in 1981 saved his nation from catastrophe and disaster. He stabilized the political situation in the early 80ies. He modernized Egypt tremendously (end of bilharziosis, reduction of illiteracy, highways, underground railways, improved public transport in Alexandria, industrial developement, etc. He however now has become a relict of the past, and quite obviously is tragically out of touch.
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Old 11.02.2011, 17:39
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US should just pay the generals off, the oil companies will soon start pressuring them to do it.

Someone should really study the social aspect of this revolution, they areso well organized; they now have latrines, showers, medical centres, the army have given out some bread.

The only thing that I didn't like- and maybe I will get groans for this, is the children's march as shown on CNN. It is not that I object to the children being there and witnessing this, but it looked like the march had been organized by parent's wearing conservative Islamic dress. It kind of smacked of the martyr ideology, but maybe that is just the way I have been indoctrinated to see it. It is good when the broadcasting company show a mixture of demonstrators.
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Old 11.02.2011, 17:51
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Why do you conclude that Mr Shoukry tries to fool anybody ?
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- Theoretically, Hosni Mubarak could take power back from Mr Suleiman, but in reality NOT without the support of the leadership of the armed forces
- Yes, according to the Egpytian constitution, people HAVE to right to demonstrate, WITH the protection of police and military forces
- Yes, people will continue to protest peacefully

Hosni Mubarak is borne in 1928 and so in 1952 was 24 years old, just a decade younger than Messrs Anwar Sadat, Gamal Abdel Nasr, Zakarya Mohieddeen, Khaled Mohieddeen, etc . He in 1973 and in 1981 saved his nation from catastrophe and disaster. He stabilized the political situation in the early 80ies. He modernized Egypt tremendously (end of bilharziosis, reduction of illiteracy, highways, underground railways, improved public transport in Alexandria, industrial developement, etc. He however now has become a relict of the past, and quite obviously is tragically out of touch.
Shoukry has a very difficult job, it is a wonder that he doesn't have a heart attack. He is the mouth-piece of the Egytian Government; he had obviously been told to convey a misleading message- that Muburak had handed over all power to Suleiman and that obviously was not true. His job is to deflect criticism in questioning and help stall the process towards true democracy. he said that no-one is in charge of the government- that is not true- only Muburak has the power to dissolve the government. He was also unsure as to whether Muburak had the power to reverse all decisions made, and fre Suleiman, but he kept reiterating that Muburak had handed power over to Suleiman. Shoukry is not a stupid man he knows the reality of the situation.

What can he do- resign his position? That could lead to greater problems.
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Hooray! At last well done Egypt
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Suleiman and the generals are next!
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Old 11.02.2011, 18:13
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Hooray! At last well done Egypt
Mubarek has stepped down - must be true it is in the FT
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

An amazing result proving that peaceful protest is more powerful than war, death and destruction.
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He's gone! Wow
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Great news. I hope the transition to a new, democratically elected government goes smoothly for the Egyptians.
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An amazing result proving that peaceful protest is more powerful than war, death and destruction.
Ghandi, Mandela and Martin Luther King live on. I was wrong to doubt.

This is also the day that Mandela was released from prison.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Congrats Egyptians!!!

Viva la revolucion

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Allah sukuler alsun!

Great news, thanks for the up date guys and girl!
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