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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

So now, with The Military in charge, what happens next?
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So now, with The Military in charge, what happens next?
My unqualified opinion. Egyptians have to find its Ghandi, or MLK or Mandela.
In the meantime, it's Generals versus Generals; there is dissent in the ranks. The old generals must be flushed out along with Suleiman

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Maj. Gen. Safwat El-Zayat, a former senior official of Egypt’s General Intelligence and member of the Egyptian Council of Foreign Affairs, asserted, in an interview with Ahram Online, that the address delivered by President Mubarak last night was formulated against the wishes of the armed forces, and away from their oversight. He claimed that Vice Preisdent Omar Suleiman’s address, which came on the heels of Mubarak’s address, was equally in defiance of the armed forces and away from its oversight.
Attributing this information to his own sources within the Egyptian military, Maj. Gen. El-Zayat said there was now a deep cleavage between the armed forces, represented in its Supreme Council, and the Presidential authority, represented in both President Mubarak and his Vice President, Omar Suleiman.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arm...-and-suleiman/

This is interesting-valley live claim that it was a military coup in defiance of Muburak and Suleiman- they lay the story out here:
http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global...asp?S=14015825

The Tehran Times is reporting this ( below) also saying it is a military coup, but with a different twist. So far other sites say that there is no truth in it- there is no General Sisson. Still, it is tapping into some people's concerns. I think that Tehran Times also said previously that Egypt was on the brink of a theocracy modeled on Iran:

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Two senior Israeli officers and three U.S. generals have arrived in Cairo to take control of the military command in Egypt, an anonymous source has told the Tehran Times. The command council is headed by a general named Sisson, the source said. One of the options that the generals are weighing is staging a military coup in Egypt. Israel provides weapons for Egypt The reports followed phone conversations between the Egyptian, U.S., and Israeli defense ministers as the anti-government protest

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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What if he -upthehatter2008- does to you what the Arab people did to Saddam??!? I can't help but to think of the outcome
The Arab people celebrated Saddam in the streets & were afraid of him (for a good reason). If someone wants to sing my praises in the streets, why not

Good luck Mowvich - may your dreams of a truly democratic Egypt come true.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

First demonstrations and clashes starting now in Algeria. The country has similarities with egypt & tunisia. We'll need probably to start a new thread
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Sorry for dragging reality to this thread. Not the first time I burst your bubble
Reality is that the army has not taken over power, but as you yourself in the same message correctly stated still is in power
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Considering that you know very little about Israel and how it's run I'm not surprised that you think there was much progress made in Egypt.

I'll believe this progress when I see it - free elections, rule of law, freedom of press - that sort of thing. didn't happen yet, sorry.
NOBODY referred to progress in regard to democracy, none

Progress in Egypt WAS done in fields like industry, infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc. President Mubarak for years got his support from his country (inside and outside the armed forces) on the basis of his records in these fields.

But democracy ? Did you ever expect that the old SovietUnion educated (Moscow Military Staff Academy) general could ever become a democrat ? This was his deficit ! He also in recent years made the impression (no proof, but every likeliness) of suffering from beginning dementia and senility. Rather tragic, but things like this most likely is ahead of most of us. This just something in regard to realities
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Old 12.02.2011, 13:29
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I've just seen this on SwissInfo



Also on the same page is a link to pictures of the diverse range of protective headgear worn by the protesters
What I find cowardly is that nothing was done as long as he was president, and then when he had stepped out, they suddenly became active. In case of Tunisia, they in the meantime had to delete many who were "on the list".

It rather is a "preemptive strike" in order not to come under critical comments later on.
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So now, with The Military in charge, what happens next?
The point is that due to the present constitution, of course not by coincidence, only the leadership of the armed forces can dissolve parliament and arrange new elections done with new rules. Thereafter, the new parliament can revise the constitution, and arrange new presidential elections. There of course is no guarantee for anything, but whomever will now be in charge ought to realize that the old methods no longer will work, and so I hope for the best.

So, if you have doubts, right you are, but if you presume the negatives, wrong you are.
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The Arab people celebrated Saddam in the streets & were afraid of him (for a good reason). If someone wants to sing my praises in the streets, why not

Good luck Mowvich - may your dreams of a truly democratic Egypt come true.

Reality check for you

"The Arab people" NEVER celebrated Saddam al-Takriti, not even the Iraqi people. Unless you call Saddam-arranged official "celebrations" a real expression of democratic will, and proclaim Saddam to have been the "legitimate president" ! That some Palestinians "celebrated" the man had not much to do with the person, but with Palestinian-Israeli politics. You know as well as I do that SHT ruled via his carefully built up network of secret service agencies, placed into the Socialist Party, into the armed forces, and into the state administration. The man, unlike people like Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco and Mussolini never was popular and was a rather mediocre orator.
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First demonstrations and clashes starting now in Algeria. The country has similarities with egypt & tunisia. We'll need probably to start a new thread
Good luck to them
My preference would be Libya & Iran first but I guess those 2 will go on the too difficult list.
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First demonstrations and clashes starting now in Algeria. The country has similarities with egypt & tunisia. We'll need probably to start a new thread
Similarities only in a limited way. The problem in Algeria is not the President, but
A) the chief of the Secret Service and his men
B) the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
who both are more powerful than the President
who both allowed people to democratically elect president + parliament
buth who both withheld background power from president + parliament

I think that Abdelaziz Bouteflika should step down and retire as a man in his health condition cannot be the one to carry through urgently needed changes in the days and months ahead
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First demonstrations and clashes starting now in Algeria. The country has similarities with egypt & tunisia. We'll need probably to start a new thread
Oh No. I will never maintain my course grade
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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The Arab people celebrated Saddam in the streets & were afraid of him (for a good reason). If someone wants to sing my praises in the streets, why not

Good luck Mowvich - may your dreams of a truly democratic Egypt come true.
That wasn't all they did...I am more concerned about the "end", your end for that matter lol
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Similarities only in a limited way. The problem in Algeria is not the President, but
A) the chief of the Secret Service and his men
B) the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
who both are more powerful than the President
who both allowed people to democratically elect president + parliament
buth who both withheld background power from president + parliament

I think that Abdelaziz Bouteflika should step down and retire as a man in his health condition cannot be the one to carry through urgently needed changes in the days and months ahead
The problem isn't bouteflika at all imho, they'll make him step down if they want to...
Algeria isn't run by a single guy, to the contrary, it is run by a coalition of a few military generals within the Front de Libération Nationale. They scheme behind the scenes.
Another thing to consider is that Algeria isn't at all to be pressured financially as was Egypt. It is an oil -and gas- rich nation with billions of $ in reserves -most of which is never tapped by the people.
The military junta cancelled the elections in 1992, a civil war ensued killing more than 150,000 civilians and still the Algerian generals were not all that concerned; Algerians will face a tougher dictatorship, that shows no mercy whatsoever.
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An amazing result proving that peaceful protest is more powerful than war, death and destruction.
Shame it didn't work in Iran.
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Shame it didn't work in Iran.
Such a bitter poster aren't you. What have you got against Peace and Democracy emerging in the Arab Worlds ? Scared you will have nobody to fight ? Nobody else to make fun of ?

You should go back and read your scriptures. I see the Israeli in you, but not the Jew.
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Such a bitter poster aren't you. What have you got against Peace and Democracy emerging in the Arab Worlds ? Scared you will have nobody to fight ? Nobody else to make fun of ?

You should go back and read your scriptures. I see the Israeli in you, but not the Jew.
Show me a post where I was against Peace and democracy in the Arab world and I'll stop posting for week.

If you can't do that you will stop posting for a week.

can you do that until 22:40 ?
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Show me a post where I was against Peace and democracy in the Arab world and I'll stop posting for week.

If you can't do that you will stop posting for a week.

can you do that until 22:40 ?


Go on then, say it...

"I wish Egypt and the people of Egypt peace and democratic success."

Or how about just stopping the sarcastic, acidic, negative comments about your fellow Arab Nations and neighbours ?
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Go on then, say it...

"I wish Egypt and the people of Egypt peace and democratic success."

Or how about just stopping the sarcastic, acidic, negative comments about your fellow Arab Nations and neighbours ?
You are wasting time - you said I was against democracy in the arab world. now prove it.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Arabs not ready for democracy because of deep causes.....like they don't deserve it.

A visionary post the least we can say.
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