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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

In Egypt they had live coverage, non stop commentary. Egypt is still referred to 15 times from the front page. Iran - 2.

Accroding to AJ Egypt has a revolution, in Iran it's only "protests" where "deaths are reported" - once you read rgeir article they quote the Iranian police which claim that an outlawed "terrorist" group shot into the crowd.

Would they quote the Egyptian police two weeks the same way ?

When the Egyptian authorities harassed them, they made a meal of it - but now that the Iranian leaders tell them to stay away they simply do it.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

what exactly are you accusig al jazeera of? bias in favour of the Iranian authorities?
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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what exactly are you accusig al jazeera of? bias in favour of the Iranian authorities?
Yes.

The Iranian regime is a lot worse then Mubarak's (read wikileaks) - but AJ doesn't give it the attention it deserves.
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:04
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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The Iranian regime is a lot worse then Mubarak's (read wikileaks) - but AJ doesn't give it the attention it deserves.
the Egyptian people kicked out the "moderate" (according to western media) dictator Mubarak. did you see the hundreds of thousands of people protesting? they weren't protesting against a moderate man.

are you saying he was better than the Iranian government? why would al jazeera support Iran? sorry I don't mean to be rude but are you thinking this through?
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:07
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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In Egypt they had live coverage, non stop commentary. Egypt is still referred to 15 times from the front page. Iran - 2.

Accroding to AJ Egypt has a revolution, in Iran it's only "protests" where "deaths are reported" - once you read rgeir article they quote the Iranian police which claim that an outlawed "terrorist" group shot into the crowd.

Would they quote the Egyptian police two weeks the same way ?

When the Egyptian authorities harassed them, they made a meal of it - but now that the Iranian leaders tell them to stay away they simply do it.

Uhmmmm, was interesting actually, because while the BBC quoted the Semi official news agency with a quote similar to yours. Meanwhile, the second line of the AJ article is:

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"At Monday's rally ... two people were martyred and many were wounded; one person was shot dead," said Kazem Jalali.
Hardly the official line now is it?

As to protest/revolution, well, it is a revolution in egypt, there are only protests in iraq. Looking back through past AJ articles, they are continually referred to as "protesters".
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:15
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Al Jazeera is owned by Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer al-Thani (Qatar Media Corporation) so his agenda is unlikely to be pro Iran!
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:19
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

"two people were martyred" - said an Iranian parliament member.

Who "Martyred" them - AJ doesnt say, except quoting the police first and then some obscure organization.

Did the quote the protest leaders - No.

Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran.

Is Al Jazeera complaining about the limitations the Iranian government is imposing on foreign media ? mabye in a single line buried deep in a small article.

Mubarak oppresed his people, In Iran the oppression is a lot worse (see women rights, for example), plus funding of terrorists near & far and pursuing nuclear weapons.
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:23
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

"Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran."

please confirm that one can watch al jazeera in Iran.

second, al jazeera did not "encourage the protesters", the egyptian youth revolted inspired by their tunisian brothers.

are you really saying that al jazeera (a qatari company) is implicitly supporting the Iranian regime?
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:32
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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"Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran."

please confirm that one can watch al jazeera in Iran.

second, al jazeera did not "encourage the protesters", the egyptian youth revolted inspired by their tunisian brothers.

are you really saying that al jazeera (a qatari company) is implicitly supporting the Iranian regime?
1. AJ is available in the oppresive state which is Iran - if you dare to put up a satellite dish. it was widely available in Egypt.

2. AJ reports of Egypt were pro demenstrations, they are neutral about the demonstrations in Iran.

3. there is very little criticism of Iran in AJ. I would call tham implicitly supporting Iran (Qatar is the only gulf state to have a defense pact with Iran)


Compare: "Bahrain police fire at protesters" to "Deaths reported in Iran protest" (both from today's AJ english site)
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:35
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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"two people were martyred" - said an Iranian parliament member.

Who "Martyred" them - AJ doesnt say, except quoting the police first and then some obscure organization.
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But the National Council of Resistance of Iran, which includes the PMOI, denied the allegations on Tuesday, saying "those in power crushed the demonstrators, firing live rounds and tear gas at them".
The Associated Press news agency had quoted witnesses saying that at least three protesters had been injured by bullets while dozens more were hospitalised after being beaten.
Dorsa Jabbari, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Tehran, confirmed reports that security forces used tear gas, pepper spray and batons against the protesters.
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Did the quote the protest leaders - No.
Isn't that the quote from the "obscure organisation"

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Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran.
How did it encourage the protests? It was mostly self organisation.

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Is Al Jazeera complaining about the limitations the Iranian government is imposing on foreign media ? mabye in a single line buried deep in a small article.
How can a single line be buried deep in a small article? It's quite clear, reporters have been banned from witnessing the demonstrations.

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Mubarak oppresed his people, In Iran the oppression is a lot worse (see women rights, for example), plus funding of terrorists near & far and pursuing nuclear weapons.
I'm not sure what you want from AJ, it's just a "well..... they're not doing enough" argument.
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:37
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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1. AJ is available in the oppresive state which is Iran - if you dare to put up a satellite dish. it was widely available in Egypt.

2. AJ reports of Egypt were pro demenstrations, they are neutral about the demonstrations in Iran.

3. there is very little criticism of Iran in AJ. I would call tham implicitly supporting Iran (Qatar is the only gulf state to have a defense pact with Iran)

1. You answered your own question. Al jazeera is banned in Iran and one may watch it in private illegally with the threat of being arrested.

2. No they were not, the reporting was quite balanced. did you watch the BBC and CNN coverage? did you see the difference in the quality of the expert commentary between al jazeera and the other stations? Did you see the RT coverage which basically said that the USA were behind the protests!

3. Why should al jazeera criticize Iran? Did you read my previous posts about the ownership of al jazeera? why would Qatar be pro Iran. Please explain
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:42
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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1. AJ is available in the oppresive state which is Iran - if you dare to put up a satellite dish. it was widely available in Egypt.
So, it's not exactly encouraged, what happens if you put up a satellite dish?

If satellite dishes are not allowed then AJ is not allowed. If Iran is so AJ friendly, wouldn't it be available on terrestial?

Did it occur to you that level of opprresion in Iran could be the reason for the sparse reporting?
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Old 15.02.2011, 17:44
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Cyrus - Why wasnt the headline "Iranian police shoot demonstrators" ?

the Iranian police line is such a blatant lie,it takes a very accommodating news organization to quote without some serious questioning.

Note that the BBC reporter managed to be in the demonstration - Why didn't AJ ?

Critical reporting can be done from outside the country - most of the Egypt related articles were done outside Egypt. there is no shortage of items to criticize in Iran - but AJ doesnt seem to notice.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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"two people were martyred" - said an Iranian parliament member.

Who "Martyred" them - AJ doesnt say, except quoting the police first and then some obscure organization.

Did the quote the protest leaders - No.

Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran.

Is Al Jazeera complaining about the limitations the Iranian government is imposing on foreign media ? mabye in a single line buried deep in a small article.

Mubarak oppresed his people, In Iran the oppression is a lot worse (see women rights, for example), plus funding of terrorists near & far and pursuing nuclear weapons.
Pashosh open your eyes, ears and brain cells:

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It's quite clear, reporters have been banned from witnessing the demonstrations.
I'll pass on the rest. AJ doesn't have a proper coverage in Iran like any other medias. All informations coming out are all non-prouved to be from secur sources. They are from what someone, somewhere is able to get out. They can't cover something they can't see or witness. It wouldn't be journalism.
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Cyrus - Why wasnt the headline "Iranian police shoot demonstrators" ?
From what I can tell in other media, it's not even clear who was shot.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Pashosh, I note that you have ignored every single one of my explicit answers to your points.

We know that Iran has a vile regime that suppresses democracy but to somehow blame al jazeera's coverage on this is ludicrous.
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From what I can tell in other media, it's not even clear who was shot.
Let me guess - the same kind of people who got shot last time people demonstrated against the regime ?

we'll wait for youtube video.

Midfieldgeneral - I missed your 16:37 post, sorry.

Satellite channels (icluding AJ) are forbidden for "local consumption", but AJ have reporters in Iran.

These reporters follow the AJ line - do not criticize Iran too much, because its against AJ's boss (Qatar's own dictator) interests - he is quite chummy with the neighbors across the gulf (the trade with Iran is very important to Qatar).
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Let me guess - the same kind of people who got shot last time people demonstrated against the regime ?
It's not clear, it seems some protesters may have been armed too. Without clears facts, for AJ to do what you are suggesting would be very poor journalism.
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It's not clear, it seems some protesters may have been armed too. Without clears facts, for AJ to do what you are suggesting would be very poor journalism.
Is questioning Iranian police declaration poor jouranlism ? giving poor excuses for not covering the news is poor journalism.

They can ask for proof from the Iranian police, the names of the people killed, the post mortem results - lots of things.

They chose not to do it because it will embarrass the Iranian regime. that was poor journalism
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Is questioning Iranian police declaration poor jouranlism ? giving poor excuses for not covering the news is poor journalism.

They can ask for proof from the Iranian police, the names of the people killed, the post mortem results - lots of things.

They chose not to do it because it will embarrass the Iranian regime. that was poor journalism
And if that information is not forthcoming?

What you want AJ to be is not what it is. It's gained respect for proper journalism, rather than the usual tabloid opinions and insunuations which you appear to want AJ to be. It doesn't seem to be the lack of coverage you are upset about, but rather that it doesn't do enough to inject your opinion into it's iran coverage.
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