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Old 15.02.2011, 18:39
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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Interesting to see how Al Jazeera practically ignores the demonstrations in Iran in it's reports.

No media is objective, but Al Jazeera's position towards Iran is very telling.
al-Jazeera, even if they generally enjoy a lot of freedom, have to listen to "advice" coming from the Emir. And the Emir cannot risk to make the Iranian leadership angry. Do not forget that Iran is militarily as strong as all the Arab countries on the other side of the Arabian Gulf combined. True, Iran since 1979 has never again up to now been as aggressive as the Iran under the Imperial regime of the Pahlavi, but there is no guarantee. And the Iranian military leadership as a consequence of the last presidential "elections" has become more influential as at any time since the mid 1950ies.

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Old 15.02.2011, 18:45
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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And if that information is not forthcoming?

What you want AJ to be is not what it is. It's gained respect for proper journalism, rather than the usual tabloid opinions and insunuations which you appear to want AJ to be. It doesn't seem to be the lack of coverage you are upset about, but rather that it doesn't do enough to inject your opinion into it's iran coverage.
Enough with the Ad hominems - this thread is about the middle east revolutions.

Journalism is about asking questions - AJ asked hard questions when it suited it - and was recognized for it, even when it didn't get answers. not the case with it's Iran coverage.
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Old 15.02.2011, 18:46
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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In Egypt they had live coverage, non stop commentary. Egypt is still referred to 15 times from the front page. Iran - 2.

Accroding to AJ Egypt has a revolution, in Iran it's only "protests" where "deaths are reported" - once you read rgeir article they quote the Iranian police which claim that an outlawed "terrorist" group shot into the crowd.

Would they quote the Egyptian police two weeks the same way ?

When the Egyptian authorities harassed them, they made a meal of it - but now that the Iranian leaders tell them to stay away they simply do it.
Egypt as an Arab country of course gets a far higher priority. I think this is absolutely normal.
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Old 15.02.2011, 18:50
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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"two people were martyred" - said an Iranian parliament member.

Who "Martyred" them - AJ doesnt say, except quoting the police first and then some obscure organization.

Did the quote the protest leaders - No.

Al Jazeera encouraged the protests in Egypt, it does no such thing in Iran.

Is Al Jazeera complaining about the limitations the Iranian government is imposing on foreign media ? mabye in a single line buried deep in a small article.

Mubarak oppresed his people, In Iran the oppression is a lot worse (see women rights, for example), plus funding of terrorists near & far and pursuing nuclear weapons.
al-Jazeera of course tries to exert influence in the Arab World, but not so much in Asia
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Old 15.02.2011, 18:52
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Journalism is about asking questions - AJ asked hard questions when it suited it - and was recognized for it, even when it didn't get answers. not the case with it's Iran coverage.
OK, AJ doesn't really seem to be doing any worse than the other agencies in this case. But neither does it really seem to be pro iranian from what I can tell. Searching Iranian articles on their site and they do seem very dry, but still complete.
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Old 15.02.2011, 18:54
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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1. AJ is available in the oppresive state which is Iran - if you dare to put up a satellite dish. it was widely available in Egypt.

2. AJ reports of Egypt were pro demenstrations, they are neutral about the demonstrations in Iran.

3. there is very little criticism of Iran in AJ. I would call tham implicitly supporting Iran (Qatar is the only gulf state to have a defense pact with Iran)


Compare: "Bahrain police fire at protesters" to "Deaths reported in Iran protest" (both from today's AJ english site)

Give evidence of such a "defence pact" ! Qatar does not have a defence pact with Iran. The only defence pact of any Arab League member with an outside countriy is the Kuwaiti-British military pact of 1898 . And from the other side, such a pact would be of no real value for Iran at all.
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Old 15.02.2011, 21:16
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Give evidence of such a "defence pact" ! Qatar does not have a defence pact with Iran.
Oh yes they do.

Can you provide evidence that Israel didn't fulfil the terms of the peace treaty with egypt ? (I asked before).
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Old 15.02.2011, 21:21
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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You are forgetting Mossadegh, and all the would-be Mossadeghs.
A government that can be overthrown must not be a government worth having.
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Old 15.02.2011, 21:41
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Hmmm....

Mubarak falls into coma after final speech: report

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Old 15.02.2011, 23:19
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

It is usually the audience who fall into a coma when I give speech.
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Old 15.02.2011, 23:26
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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You are forgetting Mossadegh, and all the would-be Mossadeghs.
Not forgetting, I was simpy not around 50+ years ago to remember anything.

Did the name of the Israeli secret service (Mossad) come from Mossadegh??

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Oh yes they do.

Can you provide evidence that Israel didn't fulfil the terms of the peace treaty with egypt ? (I asked before).
A) what was signed is a a defense cooperation agreement in which the two countries stressed the need to expand their defense cooperation but not a pact. Switzerland for example has numerous such agreements with NATO, but PACT-wise is not linked with NATO. Egypt has many such agreements with the USA but not a military pact. There is a difference.

B) As I never said that Israel didn't fulfil the terms of the peace treaties with Egpyt and Jordan. As certain people in the West (and even on this forum) at times talk as if Egypt and Jordan did not, I had to emphasize that they did.
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A) what was signed is a a defense cooperation agreement in which the two countries stressed the need to expand their defense cooperation but not a pact. Switzerland for example has numerous such agreements with NATO, but PACT-wise is not linked with NATO. Egypt has many such agreements with the USA but not a military pact. There is a difference.

B) As I never said that Israel didn't fulfil the terms of the peace treaties with Egpyt and Jordan. As certain people in the West (and even on this forum) at times talk as if Egypt and Jordan did not, I had to emphasize that they did.
A. A pact was signed. please don't redefine the English language.
B. you said "Israel again and again violated even the most basic points of the agreement". I guess this one of your funny posts, like the one about Jihad being non violent and that Iran never supported terrorists.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Pashosh, frankly I think al jazeera's coverage has been exemplary and has shown up how poor the BBC, CNN et all have been. To pick them up over Iran, where the media is restricted and the regime is brutal is nit picking and in my view unfair
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" & Iran, Libya, Bahrain, Yemen

Shall we extend this thread to cover the revolutionary movements springing up or start new threads?
I think it will be tedious to have a thread for each country & they are all somehow linked to a common origin & are anyway in close geographic proximity & fighting similar issues.

I was surprised to see action in Libya & Iran; I thought those regimes were too brutal.
Bahrain seems to be progressing well with central site developing.
Yemen limping along?
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Pashosh, frankly I think al jazeera's coverage has been exemplary and has shown up how poor the BBC, CNN et all have been. To pick them up over Iran, where the media is restricted and the regime is brutal is nit picking and in my view unfair
Obama is being very guarded about his reaction to Iran. Over 200 members of the parliament have voted to execute the heads of the opposition parties. Some Iranians I know say that they wish they would execute them, perhaps that would bring about an insurmountable, massive outpouring of people onto the streets. I think that the Iranian regime was born in massive brutal bloodshed and it will die the same way. There are few things that I can't get my head to think about, but this is one that makes me physically sick. Plus Obama has a duty to the hikers. Washington has tried to join the Iranian tweeters, but there is an effective news blackout. The most promising sign to me is that Rafsanjani is managed to uphold a challenge from within the system itself. Yemen and Bahrain may escape the same massive bloodshed.
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Obama is being very guarded about his reaction to Iran. Over 200 members of the parliament have voted to execute the heads of the opposition parties.

Some Iranians I know say that they wish they would execute them, perhaps that would bring about an insurmountable, massive outpouring of people onto the streets. I think that the Iranian regime was born in massive brutal bloodshed and it will die the same way. There are few things that I can't get my head to think about, but this is one that makes me physically sick.

Plus Obama has a duty to the hikers. Washington has tried to join the Iranian tweeters, but there is an effective news blackout. The most promising sign to me is that Rafsanjani is managing to uphold a challenge from within the system itself. Yemen and Bahrain may escape the same massive bloodshed.
I'm still interested about Egypt and what might happen on Friday.

The other interesting thing I found was a report that the organizers of the revolution in Egypt ( according to some they exist) met previously with revolutionaries from Tunisia and one other country- I'll try to find the report.

I like David Brooks on Charlie Rose- he's right -wing but still has very interesting perspectives on what democracy means for the Egyptians. The interview was aired yesterday so I will post it when it is available for public viewing in a couple of days.
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Pashosh, frankly I think al jazeera's coverage has been exemplary and has shown up how poor the BBC, CNN et all have been. To pick them up over Iran, where the media is restricted and the regime is brutal is nit picking and in my view unfair
You find AL reporting from Iran exemplary or only from Egypt ? What was/is so exemplary about it ?

As you said - Iran is a brutal country, well - so is Libya: and the reporting from there (and definitely about it from the outside) is much more critical than AJ reporting from Iran.
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You find AL reporting from Iran exemplary or only from Egypt ? What was/is so exemplary about it ?

As you said - Iran is a brutal country, well - so is Libya: and the reporting from there (and definitely about it from the outside) is much more critical than AJ reporting from Iran.
It seems to me all of the media is less critical of Iran, it's second story to Libya across the board.

They must all be in cahoots with Iran.

To boost your case though, on AJs story about Iran, it has a link to Khamenei views on the Egypt uprising. It could be seen as Ironic though.
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There N Y Times has a full page ad about the M E K Calling themselves the democratic opposition.I would advise anyone before finding money of support to this organization to investigate thoroughly. Especially covering concerning their treatment if women and the family unit.
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