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Old 19.02.2011, 23:01
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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Meanwhile, in Egypt - The Army (De facto rulers) bans strikes. Not a democracy yet.


So far there have been 365 confirmed deaths - total number expected to be much higher. and this is in a "peaceful" revolution.
Hard to see how they will confront strikers? Go to their homes & drag them to work? Then how do they ensure they will actually do work? Stand a soldier behind each worker? Does not sound practical?
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Old 19.02.2011, 23:06
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Hard to see how they will confront strikers? Go to their homes & drag them to work? Then how do they ensure they will actually do work? Stand a soldier behind each worker? Does not sound practical?
Order them back, and when that fails - Pinochet knew how to get the economy going.
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Old 19.02.2011, 23:57
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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Meanwhile, in Egypt - The Army (De facto rulers) bans strikes. Not a democracy yet.


So far there have been 365 confirmed deaths - total number expected to be much higher. and this is in a "peaceful" revolution.
The Army didn't ban strikes, they just warned about more striking as it's becoming more frequent and demands are becoming more personal rather than public, which is slowing down the economical progress, i'm sure the methods used will be far from violent as it's not the policy of our army, could be economical sanctions due to absence from work.

Regarding the deaths and the revolution, we all know these deaths occurred due to the confrontation with the police / thugs and some of the deaths are from the police themselves, though the days the police did not interfere, there were millions in the street and not even a minor injury.

It is indeed a peaceful & very civilized revolution by all measures
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Old 20.02.2011, 00:16
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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The Army didn't ban strikes, they just warned about more striking as it's becoming more frequent and demands are becoming more personal rather than public, which is slowing down the economical progress, i'm sure the methods used will be far from violent as it's not the policy of our army, could be economical sanctions due to absence from work.

Regarding the deaths and the revolution, we all know these deaths occurred due to the confrontation with the police / thugs and some of the deaths are from the police themselves, though the days the police did not interfere, there were millions in the street and not even a minor injury.

It is indeed a peaceful & very civilized revolution by all measures
The right to strike is a basic right, everybody is entitled to it - unless it puts people's lives at risk. People want personal gain - a living wage, for starters. nothing wrong with that.

So far Egypt is ruled by the Army. keep working towards free elections - because the Army is not going to simply give up.
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Old 20.02.2011, 02:27
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The right to strike is a basic right, everybody is entitled to it - unless it puts people's lives at risk. People want personal gain - a living wage, for starters. nothing wrong with that.

So far Egypt is ruled by the Army. keep working towards free elections - because the Army is not going to simply give up.
ruled by the army ? by whom exactly ? you simply base your assumptions on negative expectations. The army leadership in Egypt has stated to be "working towards free elections". Sure, one of those generals might try to get hold of the situation and declare himself President. Possible but not as likely as you portray it to be as any such military leader had to face immediate opposition.

Clear however is that Egypt has to get reorganised as soon as possible as this interim arrangement is not what that country and its economy needs.
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Who says that they re striking? These are revolutionaries, they are thinking. they are planning the future of the country. Clearly they can think and work;they can and have been organizing themselves. Apparently, the way that they got to work cleaning up the square was pretty amazing- one reporter said- it looked like Zurich. Except these people were not paid to clean up. They were proudly reclaiming their land. They are encouraging the tourists to return. I hear that some entrepreneurs have a new T. Shirt logo. 'I went to Egypt and all I saw was a revolution'. I would love to have one.

This has been posted but I suppose you, Marton have already seen it the full letter ( translated) where Con Coughlin (Telegraph) swears by his sources:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/co...demonstrators/

I imagine that Ahmadinejad's response will be that these people are enemies of Islam, so it is legal to kill them. I just think that the amount of blood that will be shed will sicken even the most hardy. When a person is martyred, the Iranians dip their hands in the blood and stamp them on walls. It is a potent symbol. Even if they power wash it off, everyone still knows. Matrydom is a very powerful concept in Iran. After the war the fountains were colored red. I just feel that a tide of blood is coming.

There was a woman ( ordinary citizen) phoning into CNN form Libya praying to Obama to help the Libyan people. What had happened , according to her, was that the army encouraged the demonstrators to come forward, that the army was calling that they were on the side of the people. These were specaial security forces, When the people stepped forward to embrace them, the army shot them. It was pitiful to hear her plea repeatedly- please President Obama help us, we are good people we didn't do anything. Surely he will hear this- but what can he do. What would the British Prime Minister do?
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ruled by the army ? by whom exactly ? you simply base your assumptions on negative expectations. The army leadership in Egypt has stated to be "working towards free elections". Sure, one of those generals might try to get hold of the situation and declare himself President. Possible but not as likely as you portray it to be as any such military leader had to face immediate opposition.

Clear however is that Egypt has to get reorganised as soon as possible as this interim arrangement is not what that country and its economy needs.
Who dispresed the parliament ? who suspended the constitution ? who keeps the emergency laws in force ?

Hint: the answer is the same for all 3 quetions and wears a uniform.
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Old 20.02.2011, 11:34
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Seems the 2 German reporters who went to Iran last year to interview the son of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani & were arrested have now been released following a visit by the German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.
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Old 20.02.2011, 18:40
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Rafsanjani's daughter arrested in anti-government protests. She's registered as a Birmingham University student.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...71J1LX20110220
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Egypt is catching on- from Wisconsin to china!

In Wisconsin there are placards that mention Egypt and demonstrators carry the Egyptian flag. In Egypt there are placards supporting the Wisconsonians, While in China there is the Jasmine Revolution, stirred up by Egypt.






http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5JjeWuW8Ab...Egypt+Flag.JPG



http://www.good.is/post/amazing-photo-egyptians-turn-out-to-support-wisconsin-counterparts1/









http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-force.html
Forgot to add Kuwait to the list

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Emboldened by popular uprisings across the Arab world, Kuwaiti residents long denied citizenship took to the streets over the weekend demanding their civil rights. But harsh police treatment sent dozens of them to prison and hospital.
http://www.themedialine.org/news/new...p?NewsID=31435
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:11
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It is indeed a peaceful & very civilized revolution by all measures
Errrr.... a peaceful & very civilized revolution for those who weren't hurt or killed perhaps.

And I suppose you can discount Lara Logan, because she's a woman.... blonde and pretty damn attractive.

And so I suppose that life is simple if everybody would simply look the other way when confronted with uncomfortable reality.
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Errrr.... a peaceful & very civilized revolution for those who weren't hurt or killed perhaps.

And I suppose you can discount Lara Logan, because she's a woman.... blonde and pretty damn attractive.

And so I suppose that life is simple if everybody would simply look the other way when confronted with uncomfortable reality.
The US media are picking up on Lara Logan because she is blonde and pretty damned attractive as you say. It is actually the same reason that Anderson Cooper wanted the hell out of there! While true- it is sensationalism a bit of titillation. Some people are saying she was gang-raped- which isn't true- but you know- beautiful young blonde gang-raped by Egyptain men in uniform. It sells.

Meanwhile indigenous female reporters have put up with this for years. I'm not saying it is right but hey-why all the fuss now?


Female War Reporters Under Sexual Attack Overseas? All The Time

http://www.newssafety.org/index.php?...&Itemid=100529


There is a lot of innacuracy in the reporting like this:
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Opposition website Rahesabz.net reported that the cell phone network in central Tehran had been cut off. Another report said that overseas calls to Tehran were also blocked in order to restrict the flow of information to foreign media outlets.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...031344,00.html
That's BS.

Reporters want to be the first, but they should be accurate. Rafsanjani's daughter has been released- she said she was shopping for clothes. The New Year is coming on March 21st- the biggest holiday in the Iranian calendar, everyone buys new clothes- or what they can afford. There will be masses of people on the streets looking for clothes. In fact there were so many today in one area, that they totally blocked traffic.

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Old 20.02.2011, 21:23
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.......... Rafsanjani's daughter has been released- she said she was shopping for clothes. ...........
Good material for conspiracy theorists ......

Was she arrested recently? Or over a week ago before Rafsanjani's 180 degree turn of views on the demonstrators?

Was she released because she said she was shopping for clothes or because of Rafsanjani's 180 degree turn of his views on the demonstrators?

Anyway back to Egypt!

How are we progressing with releasing political prisoners & stopping the state of emergency? The only reason for Egypt to have the state of emergency is to arrest & hold political prisoners without any trial or legal process, or does someone know another reason?
So why do they keep the state of emergency?
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The US media are picking up on Lara Logan because she is blonde and pretty damned attractive as you say.
They picked up on it becase the "peaceful and very civilized" crowd sexually assaulted her while chanting "Jew! Jew!".

I'd hate to see what happens when they are not "peaceful and civilized".
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Who dispresed the parliament ? who suspended the constitution ? who keeps the emergency laws in force ?

Hint: the answer is the same for all 3 quetions and wears a uniform.
The constitution and the present parliament were a product of GENERAL Hosni Mubarak. That the military leadership dissolved them, a constitution which reserved the right to dissolve parliament to the military leadership ! in fact is a good sign. The emergency law not just is outdated, but as the events recently have shown, now completely irrelevant.

You yourself quite rightly have pointed it out. The fact that actual rule, more than half a century after 1952, still was/is in the hands of the military leadership. Again, out of this, one of them could try to grasp full power. This is true and will remain true until a new and real parliament and a sensible constitution will be in place.

No one knows it better here than you who changed from a country with democracy but a severe military dominance to another country with democracy but a severe military dominance. I mean, there were times when at least 5 out of 7 members of the CH government were COLONELS, meaning that the Bundesrat was the only democratically elected MILITARY JUNTA in the world ! B U T , these colonels in Berne and in Jerusalem, accepted democracy and were ready to respect democracy. This indeed now is the test. Will the Egyptians colonels be ready to accept the rules of democracy. Egypt has a tradition of political parties and parliamentarism going back to the early 1920ies, but in between 1922 and 1952, the King and the British "ambassador" had the final say and between 1952 and now, the generals had the final say. YES, your doubts are justified, but your negative assumptions are not.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

What about changing the thread name to "Middle East in turmoil" or something like that?
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What about changing the thread name to "Middle East in turmoil" or something like that?
I think that is a good idea. perhaps Mr. Vertigo will do that- he is the OP.
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I think that is a good idea. perhaps Mr. Vertigo will do that- he is the OP.
The best information efficiency in a thread is when we stay focused on the topic. Creating a "middle-east turmoil" thread would aggregate a lot of information about different countries with different context. It will make the thread less readable in my opinion. I started the "libya" thread for that reason. So I wouldn't recommend merging the threads but it's up to the mods and the different contributors to decide i guess.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Which parties will run in the Egyptian elections ? was a date set ?
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Cameron is in Egypt to sort the military out

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Speaking on the flight to Cairo, Cameron told The Telegraph newspaper that his trip was to ensure a "genuine transition from military rule to civilian rule".
Cameron will meet Defense Minister Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, head of the supreme military council that has ruled Egypt since Mubarak stepped down, military-appointed Prime Minister Ahmed Shafik, and also members of the anti-Mubarak opposition but not the Muslim Brotherhood, the newspaper said.
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