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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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So are there going to be elections in Egypt or will the military coup continue?

Parliament was dissolved in mid-February! That was 4 months ago!!

I posted this link in Mid Feb; at the time I thought it was meant to be a joke

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-201102143541/
There will be total constitutional change followed by presidential elections than new parliament elections, it will take a little while as new political parties are being approved at the moment, once all is set in place and logistics worked out, elections will take place under the supervision of Egypt's high court, expected time frame is 3 to 6 months
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Old 19.06.2011, 13:04
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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There will be total constitutional change followed by presidential elections than new parliament elections, it will take a little while as new political parties are being approved at the moment, once all is set in place and logistics worked out, elections will take place under the supervision of Egypt's high court, expected time frame is 3 to 6 months
new political parties are being approved at the moment!?

Approved, by who?

The usual democratic process is that political parties set themselves up and they are "approved" by the voters who vote for or against them.
That is how democracies work.
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Old 19.06.2011, 13:10
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new political parties are being approved at the moment!?

Approved, by who?

The usual democratic process is that political parties set themselves up and they are "approved" by the voters who vote for or against them.
That is how democracies work.
It's not approved by who, but there's prerequisites to set a political party such as min of 5000 members which become founding members, once this is done, forms have to be submitted to the government which basically make sure prerequisites are met, following this the party have 7 days to make an announcement in one national newspaper, which the armed forces offered to sponsor.
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So are there going to be elections in Egypt or will the military coup continue?

Parliament was dissolved in mid-February! That was 4 months ago!!

I posted this link in Mid Feb; at the time I thought it was meant to be a joke

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-201102143541/
It of course was and IS a joke. The schedule is to have parlimentary and presidential elections in autumn this year, and there up to now is absolutely no indication that this has changed.
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new political parties are being approved at the moment!?

Approved, by whom?

The usual democratic process is that political parties set themselves up and they are "approved" by the voters who vote for or against them.
That is how democracies work.
New parties in Egypt right now DO set themselves up, and many already are existing. Approved they are by the provisional government. THIS also is done in traditional democracies, where the judiciary routinely checks whether a new party is neither criminal nor against the law. In case of Egypt, elQaeda cannot set up a party. Let's not forget that Tunisia and Egypt are not yet real democracies. Why do I say real ? Because there in Egypt already ARE several parties. The party set up by General Mubarak only got about 10 to 20 % of the votes but an overwhelming majority of the seats. But at least, the other parties could speak relatively freely. Which was bad but better than nothing. I think that there in the end will be so many parties, that Egypt will have to introduce the 5% minima limit for entrance into parliament, Germany did in 1949. And when mentioning Germany, do not forget that the CDU-CSU, the SPD and the FPD got approved by General Lucius Clay




and British General Brian Robertson



--- they were set up by German politicians like Theodor Heuss, Konrad Adenauer and Kurt Schumacher, but needed the approval of the gents above, who never were elected by the Germans
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Old 19.06.2011, 17:19
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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I think that there in the end will be so many parties, that Egypt will have to introduce the 5% minima limit for entrance into parliament, Germany did in 1949. And when mentioning Germany, do not forget that the CDU-CSU, the SPD and the FPD got approved by General Lucius Clay
We do have a minima schema presented, which requires a party to have minimum number of members in total (currently set at 5000 founding members) and minimum number of of members in each governance with minimum number of governances required and a minimum percentage of successful candidates to grant entrances into parliament.
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It of course was and IS a joke. The schedule is to have parlimentary and presidential elections in autumn this year, and there up to now is absolutely no indication that this has changed.

Well originally the military announced elections in June.
Then it was changed to September & now Autumn - I hope Autumn means September although Autumn does not start until September 23
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Well originally the military announced elections in June.
Then it was changed to September & now Autumn - I hope Autumn means September although Autumn does not start until September 23
Since day one the armed forces council announced it's September, no one ever mentioned anything about June.
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Since day one the armed forces council announced it's September, no one ever mentioned anything about June.
Well, it was not exactly "no one" but one of the major Western (USorUK) TV stations but sure, it was September which was mentioned right after the resignation of General Mubarak. By the usual "speed" of bureaucracy in your country, it may well in the end be October or November
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Well, it was not exactly "no one" but one of the major Western (USorUK) TV stations but sure, it was September which was mentioned right after the resignation of General Mubarak. By the usual "speed" of bureaucracy in your country, it may well in the end be October or November
Today the AFC started a poll with 15 names who are most likely to run for elections including 1 woman (Bouthina Kamel), the poll will be running till 19 July followed by candidates campaigns and then voting, i'm sure you understand it's not quite an easy process, it's the first ever in the MENA region and it's all building up following decades of corruption and bureaucracy...my personal opinion and i'm not being biased, Egypt is doing well considering the events that happened and the demography of the population.
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Old 20.06.2011, 10:25
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..it's the first ever in the MENA region..
First ever what ?
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Today the AFC started a poll with 15 names who are most likely to run for elections including 1 woman (Bouthina Kamel), the poll will be running till 19 July followed by candidates campaigns and then voting, i'm sure you understand it's not quite an easy process, it's the first ever in the MENA region and it's all building up following decades of corruption and bureaucracy...my personal opinion and i'm not being biased, Egypt is doing well considering the events that happened and the demography of the population.
Abdel Moneim Abou el-Fotouh is a candidate to become Egypt's first president

According to some newspapers he is making some interesting pre-election statements!

Dr Abou el-Fotouh cites verses of the Koran to support the right of Muslim women to reject the veil, the freedom of Muslims or Christians to ignore Islam's prohibition on alcohol, the right of a woman or non-Muslim to hold the office of Egypt's president, the separation of the Muslim Brotherhood's religious mission from politics, and his own opposition to the Brotherhood's recent proposal to require Muslims to pay 2.5% of their income to a state-sponsored charity in fulfilment of the Islamic charitable duty known as zakat.
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Abdel Moneim Abou el-Fotouh is a candidate to become Egypt's first president

According to some newspapers he is making some interesting pre-election statements!

Dr Abou el-Fotouh cites verses of the Koran to support the right of Muslim women to reject the veil, the freedom of Muslims or Christians to ignore Islam's prohibition on alcohol, the right of a woman or non-Muslim to hold the office of Egypt's president, the separation of the Muslim Brotherhood's religious mission from politics, and his own opposition to the Brotherhood's recent proposal to require Muslims to pay 2.5% of their income to a state-sponsored charity in fulfilment of the Islamic charitable duty known as zakat.

With this, he will get votes of many Egyptian women, who fear that their right to get around without scarves or veils may be restricted/curtailed, if the fundamentalists got more influence. And he is to get votes of many Middle Class Egyptians who love to drink their Stella or/and some wine. Also people working in tourism or working in the Egyptian wine industry and the Stella beer brewery will possibly give him their votes
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Old 22.06.2011, 11:28
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

According to today's Guardian since 28 January 2011 the Egyptian military courts have tried more civilians than during the whole of Mubareks reign
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According to today's Guardian since 28 January 2011 the Egyptian military courts have tried more civilians than during the whole of Mubareks reign
The Guardian mentioned half the story as usual, there's trials but not who is being judged?

Here's a sample of who's getting judged, thugs who pop over 20 pills rohypnol, abuse alcohol and drugs then go down the road slaughtering people...should they get flowers instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1r6ZbfQNBc (Warning: Very disturbing images)

Extreme violence requires extreme measures
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Egyptian army try civilians - why, did anyone really think that Egypt is a democracy ?

It's not as if the Egyptian army is very good in actually fighting wars, civilians are much easier to deal with and rarely shoot back
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Old 22.06.2011, 11:50
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Egyptian army try civilians - why, did anyone really think that Egypt is a democracy ?

It's not as if the Egyptian army is very good in actually fighting wars, civilians are much easier to deal with and rarely shoot back
At least army is protecting civilians from thugs and killers, better than your israeli's coward police arresting and beating unarmed children and women.



Full article with videos:

New York Times

P.S: I can fill up 1000 pages of videos of IDF and police violence if you want
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Old 22.06.2011, 11:56
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P.S: I can fill up 1000 pages of videos of IDF and police violence if you want
No please don't.....because then someone would come and mention the "protocols of the elders of zion".
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No please don't.....because then someone would come and mention the "protocols of the elders of zion".
I think no one needs to read the "protocols of the elders of zion" anymore, there's endless amount of evidence of violence documented at the UN and caught on video....

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The Guardian mentioned half the story as usual, there's trials but not who is being judged?

Here's a sample of who's getting judged, thugs who pop over 20 pills rohypnol, abuse alcohol and drugs then go down the road slaughtering people...should they get flowers instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1r6ZbfQNBc (Warning: Very disturbing images)

Extreme violence requires extreme measures
About ".....thugs who pop over 20 pills rohypnol, abuse alcohol and drugs then go down the road slaughtering people...."

Sounds like a quote from Assad or Gadaffi!!
So after the military took over then suddenly these murderous drug users (who were quiet during the whole of Mubarek's reign) popped up and needed to be dealt with in the last few months?
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