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Old 28.01.2011, 16:52
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

My sister-in-law was just visiting the pyramids last week. She is still uploading the photos on her facebook page!

According to the Ambassador, Muburak is making no concessions, there is no response form the government to the needs of the people, no statement, the focus. there have been several reports about El Baradei and his support for Obama. Egypt has always been a friendly nation as far as the US in concerned, Muburak was like Saddam Hussein a dictator guilty of nepotism, but he was an ally. This put the US in a diffcult situation. The hope was that Gmal would take power and allow democratic reform, the military would make sure that this happened.

Now it seems as if the military is in disarray; where is the command? Where is US support for Muburak?

During the revolution of 1979, the US had the choice of allowing it to go more Left-Wing, or allowing the Mullahs. It was during the Cold War and Russian tanks were on the Iran- Russia border. So Ayatollah Khomeini was allowed to fly back to Iran. Khomeini pulled Iran away from the left. Many left-wing revolutionaries were sentenced to death and left-wing parties outlawed. Now the US has the choice-Muslim brotherhood or the moderate left Baradei? This time it is El Baradei being allowed to fly to Cairo.


I hope that he will form a democratic country that allows Islam to develop in line with democratic principles and that this will then spread to other Middle-Eastern countries. Turkey would be a valuable ally.

All of this is not good for the Likud government, they must be quaking in their boots. But I do believe that it is good for Israel, unless of course Israel prefers to continue demonizing Middle -Eastern Islamic nations.

The majority of Middlle-Eastern people want democracy and they want to be allowed the freedom to follow their faith and keep their culture.

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Answering questions during an online “town hall” with YouTube viewers, Mr. Obama spoke of Egypt’s longtime president, Hosni Mubarak. “I’ve always said to him that making sure that they are moving forward on reform – political reform, economic reform – is absolutely critical to the long-term well-being of Egypt,” Obama said. “And you can see these pent-up frustrations that are being displayed on the streets.” Obama prefaced his remarks by noting Egypt’s role as a US ally, and its peace with Israel, but then used the YouTube forum to offer some encouragement to the youth-driven uprising that began this week against Mubarak’s nearly 30 years of rule. He stressed the importance of free speech, including access to social networking tools. “That, I think, is no less true in the Arab world than it is here in the United States,” Obama said. By speaking up, the president added weight to the comments of other administration officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose statements have grown increasingly sympathetic to the protesters with each day.
And this is why I love Obama!

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...sts-on-YouTube
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:02
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Curfew now in effect. Muburak expected to speak any minute 6:01pm . CNN still reporting live
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:17
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

egyptians are in the streets, the curfew is absolutely not respected. Interestingly in Alexandrai the police left the city and citizens are taking over the control. Many police armored vehicles set ablaze.
According to twitter & Aljazeera reports citizens are shaking hands wih army telling them we don' want to attack you and you don't attack us.
Some police officers gave up and decided to join the citizens in the demonstrations.
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Which twitters you guys been following?
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:24
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Which twitters you guys been following?
use hashtag #jan25
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

The building of the ruling party NDP (national democratic party) set ablaze and now buring and illuminating cairo.
Egypt on path to get rid of Mubarak, things are escalating. Looking forward to Mubarak speech. All this follows same scenario as Tunisia 2 week ago.
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:31
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Ruling party HQ on fire.
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:45
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Old age + power = Treachery, maybe?
I think (right kind of) youth has lot of energy and idealism, which can be a positive thing. By old age you already have lot of emotional baggage to see things ideally.
Just take a look at the age of suicide bombers. Do you see any senior there?
Radicalism is a characteristic of the young (mainly).
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Old 28.01.2011, 17:56
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

I wondering if bbc read their own stories...either that or they are hoping protesters are equipped with satellite internet (see attachment).
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Just take a look at the age of suicide bombers. Do you see any senior there?
Radicalism is a characteristic of the young (mainly).
Look at the age of the Bankers who plundered other people's money and crooked politicians Berlusconi et all.. ?
What does that prove?

Suicide bombers are the symptoms of frustration and helplessness, probably caused by treacherous old people?

My personal viewpoint still is, right kind of youth has a lot more dynamism and idealism to bring about a positive change.
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Old 28.01.2011, 18:05
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Images with sound on Aljazeera English are impressive.
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Old 28.01.2011, 18:18
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Images with sound on Aljazeera English are impressive.
I thought that they closed Al Jazeera down. CNN is still going. they reported that people are on- don't know if that means riding, tanks Live rounds are being used by police, there is a mixture of protesters- chanting loudly, army, riot police (not well liked!) and police still on the streets. There seems to be no animosity between the people and the military, they are shouting we are one and Allah Akbar. The people are greeting the soldiers happily it is more an atmosphere of carnival outside the ministry of information. The protests are massive Hilary Clinton has been on air asking Muburak to take this opportunity to speak to his people, 1 and 1/2 hours have passed and still not word. A police station in Alexandria has been set on fire. CNN is already discussing post Muburak and the position of the military which holds the country together perhaps a Turkey scenario. Again there are reports that Gmal has in fact fled to London so the earlier reports were true! Muburak himself will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. This is from Fareed Zakaria whom I really don't like- such a slimeball.

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Old 28.01.2011, 18:46
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Does anybody think that this will be spreading to neighbouring countries??
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Does anybody think that this will be spreading to neighbouring countries??
It must affect other countries, but Yemen and Tunisia are not Egypt. I am hoping that Iranians are watching and that El Baradei will soon give an address and that Turkey is willing to offer support.
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Does anybody think that this will be spreading to neighbouring countries??
yes, it starts to boil in other countries. If egypt falls it will magnify the ripple effect initiated in tunisia.
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It must affect other countries, but Yemen and Tunisia are not Egypt. I am hoping that Iranians are watching and that El Baradei will soon give an address and that Turkey is willing to offer support.
Iran experienced with two dictatorships: a secular one, and an islamic one. I reckon that neither's good

Turkey isn't exactly a Western style democracy. It is more of a democracy with a military watchdog which can intervene when the government-elected isn't in sync with them...
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

the most interesting at the moment though, there is some movement in Saudia Arabia forming.

meaning that if the current regime would fall, this would not only lead to a complete power shift in the region, but have wide reaching consequences for us in the west, as very likely the oil prices would sky rocket, and the US-Saudia Arabia agreement over oil price would fall.
i am wondering if the obama administration would militarily intervene in the region
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the most interesting at the moment though, there is some movement in Saudia Arabia forming.

meaning that if the current regime would fall, this would not only lead to a complete power shift in the region, but have wide reaching consequences for us in the west, as very likely the oil prices would sky rocket, and the US-Saudia Arabia agreement over oil price would fall.
i am wondering if the obama administration would militarily intervene in the region
US military is nearing bankruptcy, it's no longer "optional" to intervene anywhere nowadays...
Oil prices could easily hit $150 a barrel in no times agrrrrr that makes me shiver!
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Old 28.01.2011, 20:23
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Obama wants to make an announcement but is holding off till Muburak has made his. The moving images, like a human tsunami coming across a bridge toward the forces, are amazing- massive crowds. One more flight to Cairo today then all suspended indefinitely. I am wondering if it will affect the massive arms contract pending with Saudi Arabia. Which state will take Muburak? Israel? After all he was a good friend!
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Old 28.01.2011, 20:30
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

I suspect this is like most revolutions. The people want to get rid of a bad leader & mass together but there is little thought about who will jump into the subsequent gap & take over.
Nevertheless I wish the people good luck & success.

There is no doubt El Badi was very soft on Iran when he ran the Atomic Inspection Agency so he would not be my favourite for the Egyptian leader job.
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