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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

500$ average salary in Egypt ? Doctors made 40$ per month.

Must be western media lies - right ?

Egyptian workers earn less than Chinese workers.
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500$ average salary in Egypt ? Doctors made 40$ per month.

Must be western media lies - right ?

Egyptian workers earn less than Chinese workers.
I often discuss matters with a company owner in Nicosia Cyprus who grew up in Cairo (in an Italian-Swiss family) and his estimate of average worker income in Egypt is between $ 300 and 700 . And Egyptian workers earn many times as much as Chinese workers do. You here however quote the salaries of STATE EMPLOYEES. This is what enrages many of those public sector employees. That they only earn some 10% of any industrial worker in their country. Officially of course, as none of them could survive with that official salary ......
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500$ average salary in Egypt ? Doctors made 40$ per month.

Must be western media lies - right ?

Egyptian workers earn less than Chinese workers.
I used to make $2k to $3k monthly and i'm not really the best of the Egyptian salaries, some colleagues could easily hit the $4k to $5k
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.. And Egyptian workers earn many times as much as Chinese workers do.......
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"A textile worker in southern China is paid around 1,500 yuan a month. In contrast, the monthly salary of a worker in Egypt was equivalent to only around 650 yuan." source

Others may make a higher salary, but the average salary in Egypt is very low - and will probably decline as Egyptian economy will continue to suffer the results of instability.
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"A textile worker in southern China is paid around 1,500 yuan a month. In contrast, the monthly salary of a worker in Egypt was equivalent to only around 650 yuan." source

Others may make a higher salary, but the average salary in Egypt is very low - and will probably decline as Egyptian economy will continue to suffer the results of instability.
Satistics (China National Bureau of Statistics)

Average salaries up 13-14% last year as income disparity increases
Source: Global Times [01:55 May 05 2011

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The average annual income of private-sector employees was 20,759 yuan ($3,194) last year, a 14.1 percent increase on the previous year.

"Non-private sector" employee salaries averaged 37,147 yuan a year last year, up 13.5 percent from 2009.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-05/651640.html

And now for Egypt!

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average per capita income in the country is just $6,367 (IMF numbers) or $6,200 (CIA World Fact Book).

average per capita income in the country is just $6,367 (IMF numbers) or $6,200 (CIA World Fact Book).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n/31/egypt-usa

The above figures are 2011 for China and I think 2009/10 for Egypt. So even after a recent 13-14% rise the average salary for Chinese workers is still half that of Egyptians. Perhaps you were thinking of a time when they built the pyramids.


As far as i can work out the textile area is in the East of China

http://www.chinatraveldepot.com/Chin...tyID=309&Tab=3

The Western part of China ( The textile area in particular) has the highest GDP as can be seen from this map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GD...China_2004.png

I suggest that the reason this employer moved his business to Egypt is not labour costs, but the fact that everyone knows that Egyptian cotton is quality cotton. So he can sell his goods with the Egyptian cotton sticker. That Egyptian textiles are better quality than Chinese textiles may not be good propaganda for the China Daily from which your original quote was taken. I love high quality Egyptian cotton towels.

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500$ average salary in Egypt ? Doctors made 40$ per month.

Must be western media lies - right ?

Egyptian workers earn less than Chinese workers.
if salaries are a concern- here's your man who fought to change low wages. He is a rising political force from the trade union movement. He will camp out in Tahrir Square until his demands are met

http://scandegypt.blogspot.com/2009/...ree-union.html

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Under Abu Eitta’s direction, 29 grassroots committees comprised of over 40,000 members across the country gained legal status in 2009 as the Real Estate Tax Authority (RETA) – the nation’s first legal independent union.

Joel Beinin, a Stanford University professor of Middle East history and expert on Egypt’s labor movement, estimates that at least 60 unions have formed since. Thirty of those are now under the umbrella of the new, independent trade federation that Abu Eitta and his colleagues established earlier this year.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...labor-movement
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wrong.

"A textile worker in southern China is paid around 1,500 yuan a month. In contrast, the monthly salary of a worker in Egypt was equivalent to only around 650 yuan." source

Others may make a higher salary, but the average salary in Egypt is very low - and will probably decline as Egyptian economy will continue to suffer the results of instability.
Wages of workers in Egypt are between US$ 250 and $ 900, wages of those in slightly better positions or in offices between $ 600 and $ 2500

The REAL problem for Egypt is that fellahheen earn between $ 30 and $ 200 per month. Many of the younger folks out in the rural area realize that even the most miserable city-job will elevate them heavily. And quite many of them have quite respectable command of English. What exactly do YOU tell them if being in touch with them ???

The Egyptian economy of course suffered as the inbound tourism was hit by the "revolution" which was still going on when the European tourists did their bookings. I to some extent agree with you, not so much in regard to "instability" but simply as I still feel that Mr Mubarak overall did a mighty job, which any democratically elected leader may find difficult to equal and even more difficult to surpass. Whether the new leadership succeeds in reducing bureaucracy and red tape may turn out to be the REAL question.

As I am not a clairvoyant and so do not have a useful crystal ball at hand, I cannot yet tell ........................
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Thank you wolli for an informative, factual post.
Egypt has a very high population growth which is impossible to match which economical growth. The decline in income is a direct result, which was a decisive factor in the "revolution".
Mubarak, for all his faults, did a lot for Egyptian economy.
The economy could grow faster is the new regime adopts a pro western approach or it could contract heavily if an islamist governemt rules.
The egyptians now can and have to choose.
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Thank you wolli for an informative, factual post.
Egypt has a very high population growth which is impossible to match which economical growth. The decline in income is a direct result, which was a decisive factor in the "revolution".
Mubarak, for all his faults, did a lot for Egyptian economy.
The economy could grow faster is the new regime adopts a pro western approach or it could contract heavily if an islamist governemt rules.
The egyptians now can and have to choose.

Amazing in fact is that over the past 50 years, the average income of the Egyptians has RISEN in spite of the extreme population growth. But the rise of course was fairly modest and not up to the (unrealistic) expectations. To match the actual performance of the three republican leaders of Egypt will be a challenge to whomever becomes President on the Nile. If you realize that more than 10 mio people of Egyptian origin live in Western Europe, it becomes obvious that this massive emigration helped the economy quite nicely. That the population-growth in Egypt over the past decades has come down a bit (not sufficiently) is another positive factor.
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Is Leon Panetta hinting that US forces will remain in Iraq, now that the US has lost Muburak. Or is this just the Independent?

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The fall of Mubarak means that the US can no longer rely on Egypt as its main ally against Iran, so it has a greater need to be an important player in Iraq."
The US still has 46,000 troops in Iraq, although they are largely inactive. Iraqi politics are deeply divided between ethnic and sectarian communities, political parties and individuals. "Whatever they may say in public, the Iraqi political class wants some US troops to stay to protect their interests," the Iraqi politician said. Other Iraqis believe there will be limits to Iranian opposition to a US troop presence. Kamran Karadaghi, an Iraqi political commentator, said: "I think they will reach an agreement for some US troops to stay. At the end of the day the Iranians are pragmatic and practical."
The Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, also appears to want the US to remain as a counter-balance to Iran.
Iranian policy has several strands, and a willingness to countenance some US soldiers remaining in Iraq would not preclude it also using Shia militia groups under its control to inflict casualties on the Americans. Three Katyusha rockets were fired into the Green Zone in Baghdad yesterday……..

In a surprising comment which shows how little real difference there is between the policies of the Obama and Bush administrations when it comes to Iraq, Mr Panetta told troops: "The reason you guys are here is because on 9/11 the United States got attacked." The implication of this is that Mr Panetta believes the long-exploded myth of American neo-conservatives that Saddam Hussein was in alliance with al-Qa'ida before 11 September 2001, despite much evidence to the contrary.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2312133.html
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Provocative article in the Independent today
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...r-2312125.html
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I'm a bit confused firstly I read this from the FT

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/39a04238-9...#ixzz1RuKrI500

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Mr ElBaradei’s idea is simple: a document listing the basic rights of Egyptians, including freedom of expression and association, and the right to form trade unions and political parties. No future elected government or parliament would be able to abrogate those rights or enact laws that limit them.

Mohamed Nour Farahat, a legal and constitutional expert, says this would be an important advance on previous Egyptian constitutions. They mentioned similar basic rights but also contained wording that required the legislature “to regulate” their exercise. Mr Farahat says: “This bill would contain inalienable rights and its wording would deprive the legislature of breaching rights and freedoms. This is a safeguard.”
The I look at Baradie's Bill of Rights ( this is just an extract there's more of course):

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Article One: The state shall be a republican democracy founded on the rights of the citizenry and the sovereignty of the people. The people shall exercise this sovereignty through a parliamentary system based on regular, transparent general elections via secret ballot and on the basis of equality for all Egyptian citizens without discrimination and according to procedures which guarantee their right to nomination and voting, without exception.

Article Two: Islam shall be the religion of the state and Arabic the official language. Islamic Sharia shall be the main source of legislation.

Article Three: The political order shall be a multi-party system in which a citizen has the right to establish a political party and participate in political action as long as the political parties are not based on definitions or bases which contradict basic citizen rights mentioned in this bill.

Article Four: Public order is based on the sovereignty of law and an independent judiciary. State institutions and citizens are equally subject to all the laws without discrimination.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsCo...an-debate.aspx

I think that the law should be based on whatever the trade unions decide I hope they manage to sit it out till their demands are met. Too many deals are being made behind closed doors, which do not have the needs of the common man uppermost.
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I'm a bit confused firstly I read this from the FT

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/39a04238-9...#ixzz1RuKrI500


The I look at Baradie's Bill of Rights ( this is just an extract there's more of course):


http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsCo...an-debate.aspx

I think that the law should be based on whatever the trade unions decide I hope they manage to sit it out till their demands are met. Too many deals are being made behind closed doors, which do not have the needs of the common man uppermost.
About "Islamic Sharia shall be the main source of legislation."

Oh well, there goes the neighbourhood!

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Provocative article in the Independent today
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...r-2312125.html
Every nation gets the leadership it deserves.

Sharia law is already defined as the source of all legislation in the Egyptian republic. no change there.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

El Baradei has never and will no longer be supported by the anyone, therefore he is trying to win the MB on his side.

Islam will be the main religion of the country with total freedom of other religions, NO sharia law to be put in place

Currently we're calling for more peaceful demonstrations by the millions all over the country, we have 8 particular demands and we are not going into negotiations with the government or AFC before these demands are implemented and announced.

The PM made a speech yesterday where he tried to manipulate us and offer some changes ie. minsters cabinet changes (7 to 11 ministers), calling for transparent public trial against all ex-government members, firing all police men accused in killing protesters....etc, we're not accepting any of this and calling for his resignation.

Also the AFC made a speech yesterday an hour following the PM's speech and the tone of it was threatening....so we're calling for them to back off on that and just comply with the demands as requested.

Currently we're a force of 88 million civilians and i doubt anyone will stop us from achieving what we see is right for our country
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What's that, then ?
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Is Leon Panetta hinting that US forces will remain in Iraq, now that the US has lost Muburak. Or is this just the Independent?


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2312133.html
If the USA searches /searched for "an ally against Iran" they did fail in the the past, they do fail now and will fail in the future. All the countries in the Mediterranean and the Middle East, and I here include Israel, are opposed to Iranian supremacy and are against Iran to get into nuclear weapons, but none will adopt that principally anti-Iranian attitude of the USA.

True, the Iranians not only praised the assassination of President Sadat, which almost did cost Mubarak his life, they also initiated an assassination attempt against Mubarak personally. And General Mubarak did not take these things lightly. But he at the other hand never supported the US line in full, and he for example, just as everybody in the Middle East, was absolutely opposed to military action against Iran.

What Iraqi politicians would like to see would be US advisors and US liaison units, but NONE of the Iraqi politicians wants a continuation of the US-American occupation presence. If this Mr Panettone is too dull to see the difference, he is a hopeless case
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What's that, then ?
Demands:

1 - Dismissal of the current counter revolution Government
2 - Immediate action to ensure the handover of power to civilians, through the composition of a presidential council consisting of three figures (two from civilian and military) or five figures (three civilians and military personnel) to manage the country until the next parliamentary elections
3 - If there is no agreement on «Presidential Council», can be substituted with the «Advisory Council» includes public figures, which meets the requirements of national and efficiency and credibility
4 - Complete cleansing of political system
5 - To take action to improve the economic and social conditions, including the composition of a group of Egypt's leading international standing to create the «Fund to support the national economy» by addressing the outside world - governments, private foundations and individuals Egyptians abroad and non-Egyptian - to provide non-refundable grants and increase investments in the country.
6 - To establish fair and public trials of the murderers of the rebels, led by ousted President Hosni Mubarak, after the former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman have admitted he gave orders to fire live rounds at demonstrators.
7 - The speed of clearing the police of corrupt elements and public trial of the accused officers.


Measure to be taken if demands are not met:

1- Restricting the navigation in Suez Canal
2- Restricting the work in Tahrir compound (Central Government Building)
3- Restricting traffic on major high ways

This is the start of a second phase of the revolution where the citizens have more knowledge about our political and economical needs
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Every nation gets the leadership it deserves.

Sharia law is already defined as the source of all legislation in the Egyptian republic. no change there.
No it is not. The present Egyptian constitution speaks about the laws being "in respect of Muslim ideals" but there is nothing stipulating Koranic law as the basis.
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1 - Dismissal of the current counter revolution Government
2 - Immediate action to ensure the handover of power to civilians, through the composition of a presidential council consisting of three figures (two from civilian and military) or five figures (three civilians and military personnel) to manage the country until the next parliamentary elections
3 - If there is no agreement on «Presidential Council», can be substituted with the «Advisory Council» includes public figures, which meets the requirements of national and efficiency and credibility
4 - Complete cleansing of political system
5 - To take action to improve the economic and social conditions, including the composition of a group of Egypt's leading international standing to create the «Fund to support the national economy» by addressing the outside world - governments, private foundations and individuals Egyptians abroad and non-Egyptian - to provide non-refundable grants and increase investments in the country.
6 - To establish fair and public trials of the murderers of the rebels, led by ousted President Hosni Mubarak, after the former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman have admitted he gave orders to fire live rounds at demonstrators.
7 - The speed of clearing the police of corrupt elements
all quite good. BUT I might advocate the slow-speed-way of King Juan Carlos in Spain when he gradually turned Spain into a working democracy. Sure, he gradually handed day-to-day political power over to the Prime Minister, but he clearly retained far more political clout than what monarchs in Britain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the Netherlands have.

King Juan Carlos abstained from prosecuting the folks of the Franco regime and concentrated force onto the implementation of democracy.
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