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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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No it is not. The present Egyptian constitution speaks about the laws being "in respect of Muslim ideals" but there is nothing stipulating Koranic law as the basis.
That's totally right, we're not KSA nor Iran and we'll never be.
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Old 13.07.2011, 00:45
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all quite good. BUT I might advocate the slow-speed-way of King Juan Carlos in Spain when he gradually turned Spain into a working democracy. Sure, he gradually handed day-to-day political power over to the Prime Minister, but he clearly retained far more political clout than what monarchs in Britain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the Netherlands have.

King Juan Carlos abstained from prosecuting the folks of the Franco regime and concentrated force onto the implementation of democracy.
The point is not about the prosecution, the main problem is we still have so many corrupt NDP and non NDP members all over the country, in our government, media and businesses.....we cannot proceed with democracy plan without cleaning out our system first, even if it take us to rebuild the country from scratch again.
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No it is not. The present Egyptian constitution speaks about the laws being "in respect of Muslim ideals" but there is nothing stipulating Koranic law as the basis.
Article 1 of Egyptian law:
"Article 1 of the code provides that, “in the absence of any applicable legislation, the judge shall decide according to the custom and failing the custom, according to the principles of Islamic Law. In the absence of these principles, the judge shall have recourse to natural law and the rules of equity.”

Islamic law is a major souce of exsiting Egyptian legislation.

As for the Demands:
1. so no elections soon ? you want to get rid of the current Junta now - who will rule egypt until the elections ?
2. You are well on your way to "rebuilding the country from scratch". Egypt is fast approaching an ecnomical "scratch".

Good luck in building a democracy - it's the only long term chance Egypt has.

The signs are not encouraging but hope springs eternal, ya zalame.
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Old 13.07.2011, 01:29
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The point is not about the prosecution, the main problem is we still have so many corrupt NDP and non NDP members all over the country, in our government, media and businesses.....we cannot proceed with democracy plan without cleaning out our system first, even if it take us to rebuild the country from scratch again.
Yes and No. The Franco dictatorship was most heavily corrupt

And from scratch =? Sorry, your country is too large and too old for that
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Old 13.07.2011, 01:39
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Yes and No. The Franco dictatorship was most heavily corrupt

And from scratch =? Sorry, your country is too large and too old for that
But we still have lots natural, strategical and human resources to rebuild it.....the citizens who were able to run, protect & fight for the country for 18 days, are able to rebuild it in no time....Egypt is not Greece, Portugal or Spain and you know exactly what i mean.
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But we still have lots natural, strategical and human resources to rebuild it.....the citizens who were able to run, protect & fight for the country for 18 days, are able to rebuild it in no time....Egypt is not Greece, Portugal or Spain and you know exactly what i mean.
In which way is Egypt better than the PIIGS ? all of the countries you mentioned are still streets ahead of Egypt economically and politically.
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Well it seems that I was very wrong about El Baradei. What we hear in the press is still to a large degree propaganda. Don't let the greedy hijack the people's revolution. I am wondering if there could be a domino effect. Will Assad's regime fall and start a chain reaction or will the removal of Egypt's junta cause Assad's regime to fall? Libya is still making deals with France. Total executives must be working overtime.
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Old 14.07.2011, 08:59
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In which way is Egypt better than the PIIGS ? all of the countries you mentioned are still streets ahead of Egypt economically and politically.
Not culturally, socially, strategically and resources though......believe it or not, these factors makes much more difference than just politics and economics.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

How exactly is Egypt better socially than Spain ? or maybe Egyptian culture is better than Portugal's ? maybe Egyptian universities are better than Greek ones ?

As for resources & location: Egypt has some oil and gas (7% of GDP) and a canal which can be easily closed to traffic (as you mentioned). The agricultural exports are also not doing great.

It also has tens of millions living in abject poverty - No European country can "boast" that.
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Not culturally, socially, strategically and resources though......believe it or not, these factors makes much more difference than just politics and economics.
Italy, Spain and Portugal are socially ahead of Egypt and culturally on the same level. Stragegic location is what unites all four countries. Resources ? All four have a capable industry with Italy leading the field heavily, but also Italy to some extent (just like Switzerland and Egypt in fact) depends on the inbound tourism industry.
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Italy, Spain and Portugal are .. culturally on the same level as Egypt.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Egypt needs to accept the rights of other countries such as Sudan, Ethiopia on the River Nile and let them also use it for their agriculture rather than resorting to intimidation tactics and diverting Nile and building dams to the detriment to the agriculture of its neighbouring countries.

Egypt can be the "gift of Nile" but other people have the right to survive as well, otherwise Karma is a cat!
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Old 14.07.2011, 17:42
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Egypt needs to accept the rights of other countries such as Sudan, Ethiopia on the River Nile and let them also use it for their agriculture rather than resorting to intimidation tactics and diverting Nile and building dams to the detriment to the agriculture of its neighbouring countries.

Egypt can be the "gift of Nile" but other people have the right to survive as well, otherwise Karma is a cat!
Egypt just gave South Sudan funding to start new agricultural projects on the Nile, and we reached an agreement with Ethiopia on the Nile water management, the Nile basin problem is pretty much solved and everyone is pretty much happy unless someone backs off on what have been agreed
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How exactly is Egypt better socially than Spain ? or maybe Egyptian culture is better than Portugal's ? maybe Egyptian universities are better than Greek ones ?

As for resources & location: Egypt has some oil and gas (7% of GDP) and a canal which can be easily closed to traffic (as you mentioned). The agricultural exports are also not doing great.

It also has tens of millions living in abject poverty - No European country can "boast" that.
You define socially as how people interact with government and vise verca, the Egyptian model is totally different from the west, when i mention socially regarding Egypt i mean citizen to citizen and involvement in the country, we got 88 million citizens who are ready to work, develop and even fight incase of war without any second thought.....they are so attached to their land / country and they are not letting it fall nor being invaded anymore.

I guess everyone saw how very ordinary civilians managed to build an entire equipped city in middle of Tahrir while being under constant attack, how they managed to build defense lines, troops, aid teams, mobile hospitals,..etc.....all that with minimal support from anyone, what do you think they will do if they got the resources and chance....i think just the idea is freaking Israel out and you know that very well.
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Old 14.07.2011, 18:02
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You define socially as how people interact with government and vise verca, the Egyptian model is totally different from the west, when i mention socially regarding Egypt i mean citizen to citizen and involvement in the country, we got 88 million citizens who are ready to work, develop and even fight incase of war without any second thought.....they are so attached to their land / country and they are not letting it fall nor being invaded anymore.

I guess everyone saw how very ordinary civilians managed to build an entire equipped city in middle of Tahrir while being under constant attack, how they managed to build defense lines, troops, aid teams, mobile hospitals,..etc.....all that with minimal support from anyone, what do you think they will do if they got the resources and chance....i think just the idea is freaking Israel out and you know that very well.
I see - The spanish, portuguese & greek are lazy who will not lit a finger to work or protect their country while Egypt is a hotbed of industrious people. walla.

As for Egyptian "citizen to citizen" - we saw that quite often.

Having a stable, rich, functioning democracy in Egypt will be great for Israel - for starters, it would be another market for Israeli products. but so far you have a poor, unstable country ruled by a Military Junta.

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Egypt just gave South Sudan funding to start new agricultural projects on the Nile, and we reached an agreement with Ethiopia on the Nile water management, the Nile basin problem is pretty much solved and everyone is pretty much happy unless someone backs off on what have been agreed
Well pretty much happy does not sound so assuring to me, more like as if they are forced to accept it with a smile.

But in anycase, Nubians' rights have been violated and they have been made homeless and their livelihoods destroyed. God is not so happy about it.
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Old 21.07.2011, 13:41
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Today's news from Egypt
  1. Egypt's council of military rulers will not allow international monitors to observe upcoming parliamentary elections designed to move the country back toward civilian rule, a council member has said.
  2. In early July, SCAF's chief, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, swore in Osama Haikal, former editor of the nominal opposition Al Wafd newspaper, as the new minister of information.
Surprised that Haikal accepted, he used to have strong views that a ministery of information was not needed in a democratic country.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Well, there you go - Egypt is still far from democracy.
Haikal was a very strong critic of Mubarak - only after the "revolution" , of course
He even dared to suggest that mubarak was not such a great air general in the yom kippur war. Now he got his reward.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

interesting article in the telegraph today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-military-role
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interesting article in the telegraph today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-military-role
I thought that the US funds the army or have I got that wrong?

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