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Old 24.07.2011, 01:26
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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I thought that the US finds the army or have I got that wrong?
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"Groups of men armed with knives and sticks attacked thousands of protesters trying to march to the headquarters of Egypt's military rulers Saturday, setting off fierce street clashes and leaving more than 100 injured, most lightly. Security fired tear gas to disperse the crowd.

The clashes come as tensions mount between the military council that took control of the country after a popular uprising ousted ex-President Hosni Mubarak and activists who want them to move faster in bringing former regime officials to justice and setting a date for the transition to civilian rule.
The military has appeared impatient with the pressure, accusing activists of treason, warning protesters against "harming national interests" and calling on "honorable" Egyptians to confront actions that disrupt a return to normal life. An estimated 10,000 people set out from downtown Cairo's Tahrir Square but were stopped from reaching the military headquarters in the eastern Abbasiyah neighborhood by a line of army barricades. Along the way, they chanted slogans against the military council's delay in implementing their demands. "

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

It's in some people's interest to not restore security in the country as they're benefiting from the current situation and would like to avoid as possible the trial of the previous government officials including mubarak due to their involvement in the corruption, therefore there were so many falsified facts spread all over the country wether reaching the government, protesters or citizens which led to these clashes.

I'm heading to Cairo next week and we're meeting up with several parties official, unions and government officials to set the demands and timeline of execution.

The situation is solid and optimistic on the new government level but still bit fluid on the citizens level and this is the problem that would need to be sorted first before any proceeding.

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"Groups of men armed with knives and sticks attacked thousands of protesters trying to march to the headquarters of Egypt's military rulers Saturday, setting off fierce street clashes and leaving more than 100 injured, most lightly. Security fired tear gas to disperse the crowd.

The clashes come as tensions mount between the military council that took control of the country after a popular uprising ousted ex-President Hosni Mubarak and activists who want them to move faster in bringing former regime officials to justice and setting a date for the transition to civilian rule.
The military has appeared impatient with the pressure, accusing activists of treason, warning protesters against "harming national interests" and calling on "honorable" Egyptians to confront actions that disrupt a return to normal life. An estimated 10,000 people set out from downtown Cairo's Tahrir Square but were stopped from reaching the military headquarters in the eastern Abbasiyah neighborhood by a line of army barricades. Along the way, they chanted slogans against the military council's delay in implementing their demands. "

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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I'm heading to Cairo next week and we're meeting up with several parties official, unions and government officials to set the demands and timeline of execution.
Who are "we" ? Are you related to this guy and can use the Majestic plural form ?



If not, and it's a group meeting - may my friends join ? the former government confiscated all their property and their grievances should also be heard.
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Old 24.07.2011, 03:55
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

My sister-in-law was holidaying there not long ago now she's booked to go back again! She proudly shows off her pictures on facebook.
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If not, and it's a group meeting - may my friends join ? the former government confiscated all their property and their grievances should also be heard.
Do I sense envy? Low friends in high places and high friends in low places, hopefully it will all eventually sort itself out.
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Old 24.07.2011, 13:38
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"We" stands for me + other founding members of our political party + Political activists from other movements + representatives of other political parties......it's sort of a national union meeting to get together all the demands and road plan set for the coming period.

I ain't no king and won't wanna be one any day, i just try to do whatever my country requires me to do to be a better place to live for my fellow citizens

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My sister-in-law was holidaying there not long ago now she's booked to go back again! She proudly shows off her pictures on facebook.
I'm actually taking my daughter with me for the first time in her homeland.....and she's so excited about it
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If not, and it's a group meeting - may my friends join ? the former government confiscated all their property and their grievances should also be heard.
WHICH "former government" ?? The one of King Mohammed Ali `? or the one of Ramses II ?
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Ramses the second enslaved my family, Nasser the first took everything my friend's family had except the clothes on their backs - some compensation is due, surely ?

What is the name of your new political party Mowvich ? please post it's website.
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My sister is going in November- I am not sure when my sister-in-law will go probably around the same time.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Another outcome of the "revolution" - a terrorist attack from Sinai on Israel.

Egypt can choose whether to pretend everything is under control or let Sinai slide to into armed conflict. Condsidering Egypt treatment of the Beduin so far I'm afraid the first easy option will be taken.
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Old 20.08.2011, 16:08
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Another outcome of the "revolution" - a terrorist attack from Sinai on Israel.

Egypt can choose whether to pretend everything is under control or let Sinai slide to into armed conflict. Condsidering Egypt treatment of the Beduin so far I'm afraid the first easy option will be taken.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you know as per Camp David, in zone (C) we're only allowed 750 light armed soldiers to cover 200 KM of borders.

In addition to that, the terrorist attack happened in Eilat, i know very well we have max of 12 police soldiers on the Eilat border crossing while Israeli have +55 IDF soldiers on their side, if we even fail (as claimed) to secure our own borders, this happened on your side, WTF didn't your IDF do their goddamn job???......or is it just that Israelis want to take over zone (C)?

End of, the political movement coalition agreed on several measures against IDF penetrating our borders and shooting 5 of our soldiers:

1- Withdrawal of the Egyptian ambassador in Tel Aviv.
2- Asking the Israeli diplomats to leave ASAP.
3- Closure of Ouja crossing in Sinai (Main for Israel commerce from our side)
4- Increasing military presence in Sinai and declaring high state of alert against terrorists, Israelis and anyone else who dare to attack into our land.
5- Re-negotiating Camp David agreement as per what we see is more appropriate in the future.

We got the entire country angry now of the unjustified attacks on Egypt and Gaza for no reason but being a blatant arrogant a**holes, if all this leads to war, the whole country is well ready for it effective immediately.

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Old 20.08.2011, 16:40
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The terrorists came from Egypt into Israel and killed Israeli civilians & soldiers and Egypt is upset with Israel. Anybody else sees something wrong with the sentence above ?

No Israeli forces, at any stage, entered Egypt.

Where did you get the figure of 12 Egyptian soldiers on the Eilat border - From your torturing, virginity checking friends ?
there are plenty of Egyptian soldiers stationed at regular intervals along the border, and lots more deeper in Sinai.



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War is the last thing Egypt & Israel need now. Considering that all wars ended with Egyptian defeats the prospect of another war shouldn't cheer you up too much.

But if you want to rengotiate the peace treaty, you are welcome to give Sinai back to Israel and start from step 1.
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Old 20.08.2011, 16:50
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The terrorists came from Egypt into Israel and killed Israeli civilians & soldiers and Egypt is upset with Israel. Anybody else sees something wrong with the sentence above ?.
Anyone saw them crossing from Egypt?, are they at all Egyptians?, if any of both these is a yes....why the hell didn't they stop them.....you're surrounded by Jordan, Syria, Palestine, Egypt.....so don't accuse no one till you got a goddamn proof and do your goddamn job.

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No Israeli forces, at any stage, entered Egypt
Maybe you should stop being patriotic and read the Multinational Force and Observers report which said Israel did 2 infringements: Crossing borders + shooting Egyptian soldiers

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Where did you get the figure of 12 Egyptian soldiers on the Eilat border - From your torturing, virginity checking friends ?
I were based in Taba for over 4 years and this is exactly situation.


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War is the last thing Egypt & Israel need now. Considering that all wars ended with Egyptian defeats the prospect of another war shouldn't cheer you up too much.
This is the last solution if Israelis don't comply to the treaty, whatever the results is.

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But if you want to rengotiate the peace treaty, you are welcome to give Sinai back to Israel and start from step 1.
This is in the Israelis dreams only, not a single person would step in Sinai.....if they wanna take it, they have to confront 85 million Egyptians before they can step in.
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Old 20.08.2011, 17:36
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The current information is that terrorists are palestinians. they entered Israel (and back to Egypt) near Eilat - very far away from Gaza. The never had to go via Taba, but thru Sinai, where there are plenty of Egyptian police & army. The same people who keep a blind eye to weapons smuggling to Gaza.

Which "goddamn job" should Israel be doing ?

Egypt's job, at the minimum, is to guarntee that Egypt would not be launching ground for Terror attacks. So far - Egypt is failing at this job and blames others for its incompetence.
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Old 20.08.2011, 18:27
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There are some interesting programs on C-span, Here is one:

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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/301085-1
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The current information is that terrorists are palestinians. they entered Israel (and back to Egypt) near Eilat - very far away from Gaza. The never had to go via Taba, but thru Sinai, where there are plenty of Egyptian police & army. The same people who keep a blind eye to weapons smuggling to Gaza.
Either you're a magician, or you're just trolling....how do you know that if your own country says it is still investigating it.....do you have any single evidence wether you or your country or you just jumped to conclusions to stop the Palestinian demand at the UN in September and halt the demonstrations in your country!!!

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Which "goddamn job" should Israel be doing ?
Protect your own borders, own land and security or your IDF on the borders are just trolling around watching chicks in bikinis on the beach?

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Egypt's job, at the minimum, is to guarntee that Egypt would not be launching ground for Terror attacks. So far - Egypt is failing at this job and blames others for its incompetence.

Our job is to work on the security of our own country, Israel security is non of our goddamn business......you are on your own on this one mate....so chill out and be realistic....you failed (or maybe arranged this from the beginning) to attack Gaza and test the new Egyptian government response.

Our response is firm and clear: your embassy + ambassador house + consulate is surrounded by thousands of Egyptians as we speak, nothing less than kicking out the Israeli diplomats out of Egypt will make people calm down.....thats it, you wanna take it peacefully or by war is really upto to Israel.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I'm using common sense - Terrorist attack within meters of the Egyptian border. Where would the attackers come from ?
The driver of one of the buses which was attacked said that an Egyptian soldier shot at him - that may have been a terrorist in an Egyptian uniform, or a genuine soldier, we don't know yet. considering that Egyptian soldiers shot and killed Israeli civilians before, the second option is not unlikely.

the IDF & Israeli police fought the terrorist, some of them escaped to Sinai. One terrorist blew himself up killing Egyptian soldiers

Israel is not to blame for Egypt's corrupt & incompetent army - an army which failed to stop the Gas line from being blown up 5 times this year, thus costing Egypt millions in lost revenue. but never mind - as long as Israel (and jordan) don't get the Gas, it's a small price to pay right ?

"Israel security is non of our goddamn business" - Oh yes it is. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel. Peace (at the very minimum) means that one country will not attack the other. The attacks came from Egypt, hence it is Egypt's resposibilty.

How will "kicking out" (lovely, peaceful, phrase) help Egypt control it's own territory to make sure that such events will not repeat ?

A civilised country would investigate the event, see what happened and then act.
A smart country won't let itself become a launching pad to terrorist attacks (see what happend to Lebanon).
A fanatic country will have frenzied demonstrations and burned flags.

What kind of country does Egypt want to be ?
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I'm using common sense - Terrorist attack within meters of the Egyptian border. Where would the attackers come from ?
The driver of one of the buses which was attacked said that an Egyptian soldier shot at him - that may have been a terrorist in an Egyptian uniform, or a genuine soldier, we don't know yet. considering that Egyptian soldiers shot and killed Israeli civilians before, the second option is not unlikely.

the IDF & Israeli police fought the terrorist, some of them escaped to Sinai. One terrorist blew himself up killing Egyptian soldiers

Israel is not to blame for Egypt's corrupt & incompetent army - an army which failed to stop the Gas line from being blown up 5 times this year, thus costing Egypt millions in lost revenue. but never mind - as long as Israel (and jordan) don't get the Gas, it's a small price to pay right ?

How will "kicking out" (lovely, peaceful, phrase) help Egypt control it's own territory to make sure that such events will not repeat ?

A civilised country would investigate the event, see what happened and then act.
A smart country won't let itself become a launching pad to terrorist attacks (see what happend to Lebanon).
A fanatic country will have frenzied demonstrations and burned flags.

What kind of country does Egypt want to be ?
If Israel cannot secure it's own people and own land inside their territories, than this is epic fail for me to blame it on Egypt....cause we have and will never be friends, we just have a treaty between us and we both have to respect it....no term in it mention we should be securing Israeli's citizens nor land

now there's over 20,000 infront of the Israeli embassy, MB are joining too.....building stages.....so guess Israeli diplomats should consider leaving immediately otherwise they will end living inside another Tahrir Sq. + more at the Consulate in Alexandria + Ambassador
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If Israel cannot secure it's own people and own land inside their territories, than this is epic fail for me to blame it on Egypt....cause we have and will never be friends, we just have a treaty between us and we both have to respect it....no term in it mention we should be securing Israeli's citizens nor land

now there's over 20,000 infront of the Israeli embassy, MB are joining too.....building stages.....so guess Israeli diplomats should consider leaving immediately otherwise they will end living inside another Tahrir Sq. + more at the Consulate in Alexandria + Ambassador

Thank you for your honesty about hating Israel - shame that you chose to keep the hostility instead of fighting the same terrorist enemy.

btw - Israel allowed the Egyptian army to increase the number of soldiers in Sinai twice this year exactly to avoid such attacks.

How is "kicking the Israeli ambassador out" and closing border crossings fit with respecting treaties ?

The likely results are:

1. the Israel-Egyptian relations will detriorate. No israeli tourists in Sinai, less or no trade, less European tourism - loss of revenue for Egypt, mostly for the Sinai beduins whose income is from tourism & smuggling.
2. Israel will speed up building the fence along the Egyptian border. less smuggling.
3. The terrorists within Sinai will turn their attentions elsewhere, probably at the Egyptian army or western tourists.

Enjoy the new, impoverished & violent Egypt.
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